THE STONE AGE

EMMA STONE CHATS TO JEN­NIFER LAWRENCE ABOUT FAME, ANX­I­ETY, FRIEND­SHIP AND HER LIFE EPIPHANY AS SHE EN­TERS HER THIR­TIES

ELLE (Australia) - - The Stone Age -

Friend­ship, to Emma Stone, “is pretty much ev­ery­thing”. Which is why the star and ex­ec­u­tive pro­ducer of Net­flix’s Ma­niac – and face of Louis Vuit­ton’s new fragrance – re­quested that she be in­ter­viewed by her long­time pal Jen­nifer Lawrence (who calls her by her real name, Emily). The two got to­gether in New York to dis­cuss her new project, liv­ing life in the pub­lic eye and turn­ing the big 3-0. Come along as ELLE lis­tens in…

Jen­nifer Lawrence: Okay, let’s get things started! Emily, you’re the best. Care to com­ment?

Emma Stone: Um, oh God. Uh, no com­ment. JL: Next: you’re so pretty. How’d you get like that? ES: [Laughs.] What’s the Brides­maids line you al­ways say? JL: That you smell like pine cones and you look like Cin­derella. ES: She says that to me all the time. JL: In­ter­view­ing is very nerve-rack­ing! I’m gonna start with my list. So, Emily, you and I have never talked about act­ing be­cause we’re not douche lords. [ES laughs.] So now we should talk about act­ing. ES: Okay. JL: When you act, do you use your imag­i­na­tion? Do you use wounds from the past? ES: That’s a good ques­tion! JL: I know; I’m a great in­ter­viewer. [Both laugh.] ES: Well, I tend to use a lot of stuff that has ac­tu­ally hap­pened in my life, and I pull from feel­ings that came with cer­tain ex­pe­ri­ences. Then it at least feels pro­duc­tive to have all these feel­ings [laughs], which is why I started act­ing in gen­eral. And I guess I use my imag­i­na­tion to an ex­tent.

JL: So you can make your­self cry purely just from imag­in­ing some­thing hor­ri­ble? You’re that sen­si­tive? ES: Jen. JL: I know you, but I have to ask for the peo­ple who don’t know you. Emily, are you sen­si­tive? ES: I am sen­si­tive on a level that is prob­lem­atic. JL: Emily blushes watch­ing TV. She blushes for some­one on TV. ES: [Laughs.] I mean, I’ve talked to my ther­a­pist about it be­fore, and she’s like, “Thank God you found [act­ing].” JL: An out­let. ES: I started act­ing in youth theatre when I was 11. But it’s weird when it be­comes your job. And then there are other parts of it, like sit­ting here with the tape recorder in be­tween us, that aren’t things that you think about when you’re a kid and it’s just like, this is a safe, great place to feel a lot.

JL: You seem to take some­thing like anx­i­ety or pain and you turn it into some­thing. You take all your, what do you call them, your — ES: Demons? JL: Your demons, and you use them for good. ES: I think hon­estly turn­ing 30 — be­cause I’m turn­ing 30 in a cou­ple of months — I know peo­ple talk about, like, turn­ing 30 and the ex­pe­ri­ence of that. JL: Thirty, flirty and thriv­ing! ES: [Laughs.] My twen­ties were a re­ally in­ter­est­ing time, and there’s been a lot that has hap­pened in these past 10 years, both pos­i­tive and not as pos­i­tive, but it’s weird how much turn­ing 30 crys­tallises your life. In­stead of just liv­ing in the dreams that I had in my youth and get­ting to do the job I love to do and mak­ing friends and go­ing through all of that, it’s like, now what do I ac­tively want as an adult? JL: Yeah, what do you want from the world? ES: It’s been an in­ter­est­ing thing to ru­mi­nate on. I love to ru­mi­nate. JL: You love ru­mi­nat­ing. ES: I can’t re­ally help it. JL: Has any fruit come from it? ES: There’s oc­ca­sional fruit. JL: Do you care to talk about it? ES: There’s oc­ca­sional fruit, and then there are fre­quent sleep­less nights. JL: Oh yeah. I get those phone calls. ES: [Laughs.] JL: I feel so bad when I have to call her with bad news. I’m like, “Ev­ery­thing’s okay.” [Sin­is­ter voice.] But it’s not. ES: Oh God. JL: What do you think caused your anx­i­ety? Do you think you were born like that, or do you think some­thing hap­pened that made you ex­tremely sen­si­tive, or do you think that you’re nat­u­rally pa­thetic? [Laughs.] ES: I think that it’s a com­bi­na­tion of all of it. JL: Do you re­mem­ber a time when you felt more anx­ious than you ever had?

ES: Yeah, when I was seven. That’s when I started hav­ing panic at­tacks, which I’ve talked about pretty ex­ten­sively. I think your wiring is just kind of what you are. My mum al­ways says that I was born with my nerves out­side of my body. But I’m lucky for the anx­i­ety, be­cause it also makes me high-en­ergy.

JL: You’re ac­tu­ally very ad­ven­tur­ous. And you’re laid-back. I know that would sur­prise you to hear, but I know you to be laid-back. ES: Yeah. JL: Un­til you’re not. And then when you’re not, you’re re­ally not. ES: I think a huge part of it is that I re­ally like be­ing alive. I haven’t shot any­thing for six months, which has been amaz­ing be­cause there’s been time to be with friends or travel.

JL: I no­tice that you bring up friend­ship a lot. ES: Ha. JL: Is that im­por­tant to you? ES: No. JL: Who’s your favourite friend? [ES laughs.] ES: I re­ally like [Lawrence’s dog] Pippi. JL: She has a per­son­al­ity! ES: I love Pippi’s mum. JL: So are friends im­por­tant to you? And why? ES: I think friend­ship is pretty much ev­ery­thing. Here’s an­other turn­ing-30 thing I’ve re­alised: you pick your fam­ily. You re­alise that your friend­ships, the peo­ple who go with you into these next phases of your life — you’re choos­ing your fam­ily. JL: And what’s most im­por­tant to you in friend­ship? ES: Loy­alty is enor­mous. JL: Oh, I love that you pointed at me. ES: You’ve been one of my most loyal friends for years. And I think know­ing that you can laugh to­gether and that not ev­ery­thing has to be such a big deal. JL: How do you view pro­fes­sional mis­takes? ES: There are def­i­nitely things that I’ve beat my­self up about. Ha, sur­prise, sur­prise, that’s the theme of the in­ter­view. JL: Doesn’t it suck that we have to learn lessons pub­licly? ES: It feels like a lot of peo­ple have to learn lessons pub­licly now be­cause of the way the world is wired. JL: You mean so­cial me­dia? ES: Yeah. JL: Speak­ing of, you don’t have a big so­cial me­dia pres­ence. Thoughts? Why not? ES: Wow, that was an amaz­ing segue. JL: I know; I’m get­ting the hang of this. ES: I think it wouldn’t be a pos­i­tive thing for me. If peo­ple can han­dle that sort of out­put and in­put in the so­cial me­dia sphere, power to them. JL: What kinds of things do you let roll off your back? ES: What I wear, how I look. I strug­gled a cou­ple of years ago with feel­ing like how I looked was be­ing scru­ti­nised, and then I re­alised that any­thing that re­ally both­ers me that peo­ple could com­ment on is some­thing I’m al­ready wor­ried about. So it’s not re­ally some­thing that I’m over­think­ing right now. But in a dif­fer­ent pe­riod, if I was feel­ing bad about some­thing, it would bother me much more to hear peo­ple talk­ing about it. JL: Yeah. ES: Again, no­body re­ally gives a shit at the end of the day ex­cept for me. [Laughs.] JL: Un­for­tu­nately, peo­ple do give a shit. ES: Well, for like 30 sec­onds. JL: About you, not me. [Both laugh.] JL: What movie changed your life? Care to take a gan­der? Ob­vi­ously the best movie ever made was Juras­sic Park. We all know that.

ES: But I wasn’t in that, Jen. I’m not Laura Dern, as much as I want to be. JL: You were amaz­ing with the tricer­atops. ES: It’s not me! I wish it were me, but it’s not me.

JL: You look so good in khaki shorts. [Both laugh.] Which of your roles has had the big­gest im­pact per­son­ally?

ES: I loved do­ing Pa­per Man. It was about 10 years ago. That was an in­tense time in my life. I had just turned 20. All these pieces fit to­gether, and it was a re­ally im­pact­ful time. JL: For the record, note that she said “piz­zas”, not “pieces”. ES: [Laughs.] All the piz­zas fit to­gether. JL: Did you ever think you would win an Os­car? Which ap­par­ently you’ve done. [For 2016 film La La Land.] ES: No. JL: We were talk­ing one night and I was, like, pas­sion­ately speak­ing about some­thing and said, “Emily, you’ve been nom­i­nated for two Academy Awards!” And she goes, “Jen, I won.” And I was like, “You did!?”

ES and JL: [Both say] Con­grat­u­la­tions! ES: She was one of the first peo­ple to reach out to me when it hap­pened, but she just blocked it out. You had to block it out. [Both laugh.]

JL: What’s the big­gest bless­ing and what’s the big­gest drag of your J-O-B? And also, what’s your per­spec­tive on it? I think about my par­ents, and how I grew up in a work­ing class fam­ily. That’s why I hate work­ing with peo­ple who don’t come out of their trail­ers or are late. It’s a job!

ES: Me too. That drives me nuts. Lack of pro­fes­sion­al­ism makes me re­ally in­sane. JL: What are other things that get your goat? ES: [Laughs.] I don’t like the idea that any­body thinks that this is, like, spe­cial. There’s noth­ing to com­plain about. The fact that any­one could think that [fame] is true or spe­cial…

JL: What you’re say­ing is, you see be­hind the cur­tain; you’ve seen Oz.

ES: Ex­actly. My job is fun and it’s won­der­ful and it can be hard, but it’s also like, but how hard can it be? [JL laughs.] You know what I mean? JL: I re­ally wish we could in­clude your arm ges­tures. ES: There are re­ally hard jobs in the world, like re­ally hard, and ev­ery­one is be­ing so nice to me and bring­ing me a cof­fee. Like, calm down. Are you se­ri­ous?

JL: I brought you a cof­fee! You’re a movie star; what else am I gonna do? [ES laughs.] I had to make you a cof­fee. ES: [Fancy voice.] I’m so glad you no­ticed. I’m very im­por­tant. JL: Have you ever gone through a spell in your life where you’ve felt that you’d lost grip on your­self?

ES: Oh my God, I went through that last night. [JL laughs.] When I was a teenager, I was in a real sweet spot. Then in my midtwen­ties, I re­ally lost the plot. A lot of things shifted, and it felt like what­ever that pro­tec­tive layer was, that mask that you build for your­self — this is my per­son­al­ity, this is who I am — to­tally shat­tered. JL: What shat­tered? Se­cu­rity? ES: The struc­ture of my life shifted so much that I didn’t know how to re­late to this new ver­sion, you know? My par­ents got di­vorced, and I went through this stuff with my ca­reer re­ally start­ing. It all hap­pened at once.

JL: It’s so much more help­ful to talk about your life in a re­al­is­tic way in­stead of hav­ing these false re­al­i­ties. Like, if I look skinny in a dress,

that’s prob­a­bly be­cause I was watch­ing what I ate. I didn’t eat a whole pizza and fit into a [size 6]! [ES laughs] I find it ir­ri­tat­ing when peo­ple make their lives look per­fect. I re­mem­ber when you were first talk­ing about anx­i­ety and read­ing that and be­ing like, “Me too.” And then I didn’t feel like such an ass­hole for bring­ing it up. You look at the world re­al­is­ti­cally. ES: You do. JL: You do. ES: You do! Let’s just say “You do” un­til the end of time, and that’ll be the whole ar­ti­cle. JL: Wait! We need to talk about Ma­niac. ES: The thing I liked about Ma­niac was that it’s about peo­ple who have their own in­ter­nal strug­gles and are try­ing to fix them with a pill. But you see over the course of the show that hu­man con­nec­tion and love is re­ally the only thing that gets us through life. I liked that idea, and I love Jonah [Hill]. I had worked with him on the first movie I ever did [Su­per­bad], so it was, like, 11 years later. JL: So when you met him, was he, like, a big deal? ES: I was 17. JL: And you were no­body? ES: [Laughs and changes voice.] I was a no­body. I was a no­body. It was re­ally early on for him, too. [JL gets in­ter­rupted by a call from her dad, prom­ises to call him back.] JL: He never calls me, so I could not ig­nore that. ES: Do you know that her dad makes jam? JL: He makes black­berry jam. But he only makes it for peo­ple if they’re re­ally go­ing to eat it.

ES: She was like, “My dad wants to know if you want some of the jam, but only if you’re re­ally go­ing to eat it, be­cause he doesn’t want to waste a la­bel on you.” It was so good. JL: He’s so cute. ES: Truly the sweet­est, it’s heart­break­ing. What was I say­ing? JL: I don’t re­mem­ber. Oh, Jonah! ES: Right! Ob­vi­ously lots of things have hap­pened in the past 11 years, so it was nice to just get to be around each other. JL: On an­other note: you have a beau­ti­ful voice, but hate to sing. ES: I don’t hate to sing! I love to sing. JL: We went to see you in Cabaret [on Broad­way] and you were like, “I was aw­ful.” I feel like you don’t.

ES: The night that Jen came to see me in Cabaret, both of my con­tacts popped out of my eyes. JL: She’s blind as a bat. ES: It was so weird. I’ve never had that hap­pen in my whole life. JL: I would have never no­ticed. My jaw was on the floor the en­tire time; I couldn’t be­lieve what I was see­ing. ES: You’re the best, Mum. JL: I want an al­bum from you of lul­la­bies. ES: I’ll record an al­bum for just you. We’ll do ’90s coun­try mu­sic! JL: Oh my God! Will you make me a ’90s coun­try al­bum? [Starts singing “Who I Am” by Jessica An­drews] “I am Rose­mary’s grand­daugh­ter.” I want that one! ES: That’s your favourite. JL: We’ll do that. Okay, so you like to sing. Do you like to dance? ES: I love to dance. JL: Re­ally? God, you and I couldn’t be more dif­fer­ent. Why? ES: Be­cause it’s the most fun thing in the world. JL: Do you learn dances quickly? ES: Dance is my very favourite art form to watch. JL: Ugh. ES: What? You played a bal­le­rina [in Red Spar­row]. JL: Ugh, tell me about it. ES: Tell me more. JL: Fuck­ing mis­er­able. I can’t learn chore­og­ra­phy. It doesn’t click in my mind. The piz­zas don’t come to­gether. ES: The piz­zas do not work. JL: I’ll watch some­body do some­thing and then I’m like, but how’d you get your arm over here? I would watch my chore­og­ra­pher and be like, But your head just did a 360. I can’t do that. ES: You just fully ex­or­cised it. JL: What’s your sad and lonely movie? ES: Any­thing Nancy Mey­ers. JL: Oh, fuck yeah. What about Baby Boom?

ES and JL: [Both say] Baby Boom! JL: I put on Brid­get Jones’s Di­ary. Brid­get Jones feels me. I had one night of hor­ri­ble in­som­nia. I watched Brid­get Jones. ES: I started 30 Rock, and that’s been a pretty good one. JL: That’s nice. We all need some Tina Fey. Do you want to be on set again? Or are you at peace with not work­ing right now?

ES: I’m at peace. I think it’s been a good time to get a lit­tle per­spec­tive, be­cause things were so heavy work-wise for the past few years. And hon­estly, so many of my dreams are now per­sonal and less pro­fes­sional. JL: You don’t want world peace? ES: No, I do want world peace! JL: It sounded like you didn’t want world peace for a sec­ond. ES: It’s less think­ing about the next 10 years and what needs to hap­pen and just sort of re­lax­ing into what will be in­stead of try­ing to con­trol the out­come. JL: You are very good about that, I’m telling you. ES: I’m get­ting bet­ter at it. JL: Would you be a mother? She’s go­ing to be the best mum; she’s so nur­tur­ing. ES: That’s how you are! I think your ma­ter­nal in­stinct is very strong. JL: Thank you, honey. ES: My per­spec­tive about kids has changed as I’ve got­ten older. I never babysat or any­thing. As a teenager, I was like, I’m never get­ting mar­ried, I’m never hav­ing kids. And then I got older and I was like, I re­ally want to get mar­ried, I re­ally want to have kids.

JL: When I was a teenager, ev­ery boyfriend I had I was like, I guess this is the one! I was that girl. [Laughs.] Wouldn’t it be great if we could have a baby? ES: Aw, a whole vil­lage. JL: Sci­ence. ES: It’s the turn­ing-30 thing where you’re like, I’m not that young. I’m young, but I’m not that young. JL: I can tell you’re fer­tile just by look­ing at you. ES: Jeez. JL: I can see it in your fuck­ing face. ES: Thank you. That’s the sweet­est thing you’ve ever said to me. JL: I’d be hon­oured to fa­ther your chil­dren.

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