Mt: when i meet creative and successful peo­ple, there is an ap­pre­ci­a­tion for peo­ple who have a lot of things go­ing on. you’ve said that you ad­mire peo­ple for their vo­ca­tion and hobbies. tell me a lit­tle about that. aJ:

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you have to have some­thing that’s real and tan­gi­ble. We live in a world where most of our jobs are essen­tially e-mails. you can’t get the sat­is­fac­tion of look­ing at an e-mail and say­ing, “i made that. i was a part of that.” that’s why you have

to­day i am drink­ing wine with friends and cook­ing salmon. it can’t al­ways be about creative out­put. it’s got to be about mo­ments that are in­tan­gi­ble as well. i think we get so bogged down in be­ing re­sults-ori­en­tated, we feel like un­less some prod­uct is be­ing made, you’re not pro­duc­tive. i al­ways tell my­self that cook­ing and drink­ing wine with friends is never a waste of an af­ter­noon or, in­deed, a lifetime!

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