The VP debate: Pence calm and steady, but dodges in defending Trump
Republican Mike Pence was calm and steady in the face of Democrat Tim Kaine’s fiery and frequent challenges. But when it came to defending Donald Trump, Pence dodged, sidestepped or was silent about some of his running mate’s most provocative words.
Kaine aggressively pressured Pence to vouch for Trump throughout the 90-minute debate on Tuesday night, often citing the brash businessman’s own words. Pence defended Trump’s tax history, but manoeuvred around criticism of Trump’s demeaning comments about women, his public doubting of President Barack Obama’s citizenship and broader questions about temperament.
“I can’t imagine how Governor Pence can defend the insult-driven, me-first style of Donald Trump,” said Kaine, the Virginia senator and Hillary Clinton’s No. 2.
The usually easygoing Kaine went on the attack from the start and seemed determined to make the debate a referendum on whether Trump has the disposition for the Oval Office. He slammed Trump for having called women pigs and slobs, and condemned the GOP nominee’s praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Pence frequently avoided taking the bait — a shrewd move for a conservative darling who could have eyes on the Oval Office himself if Trump loses in November. But for voters seeking assurances from Pence about Trump’s temperament, there was little to cling to.
Five weeks from Election Day, the White House race appears to be tipping in Clinton’s favour. She was widely viewed as the winner of last week’s first presidential debate, rattling the real estate mogul with jabs about his business record, responding to his attacks with calm rejoinders, and sending him into a multi-day tailspin over comments he made about a beauty queen’s weight 20 years ago. New public opinion polls have shown her improving her standing in nearly all battleground states.
Pence was markedly more prepared and more detailed in his answers than Trump was on the debate stage. He was also more consistent in painting the Democratic ticket as career politicians unwilling to shake up Washington.
“Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine want more of the same,” Pence said. He repeatedly accused the Democrats of running an insultfilled campaign — an ironic attack line given that Trump has levelled repeated insults against Clinton and his former rivals in the Republican primaries.
Republicans hope Pence’s performance will help steady Trump’s campaign. But that boost could be short-lived if Trump has another weak performance when he and Clinton meet Sunday in their second of three debates.
Trump is sure to be peppered with questions in the next debate about his tax records, as Pence was Tuesday. Asked about reports that the businessman might not have paid any federal taxes for years, Pence said his running mate “used the tax code just the way it’s supposed to be used, and he did it brilliantly.”
Records obtained by The New York Times showed Trump suffered more than $900 million in losses in 1995 that could have allowed him to avoid paying federal income taxes for as many as 18 years.
Kaine, too, defended his running mate’s weaknesses, chiefly the public’s questions about her honesty and trustworthiness. He said that while Trump was “selfish,” Clinton had devoted her career to helping children and families.
Social issues were a bigger part of the conversation than in the first presidential showdown, reflecting both candidates’ religious faith.
Kaine, a Catholic who personally opposes abortion but has consistently voted in favour of abortion rights, said of the Republican nominee, “Why doesn’t Donald Trump trust women to make this choice for themselves?” He also pointed to Trump’s assertion that women should face some kind of “punishment” for abortion, a comment Trump later walked back.
Pence stressed his opposition to abortion and said he was “proud to be standing with Donald Trump” on the issue.
On national security, Kaine revived Trump’s frequently flattering comments about Putin, the Russian president.
“He loves dictators,” Kaine said. “He’s got like a personal Mount Rushmore: Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, Moammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein.”
Pence tried to flip the tables by accusing Kaine’s running mate of stoking Russia’s belligerence.
“The weak and feckless foreign policy of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has awaked an aggression in Russia that first appeared in Russia a few years ago,” Pence said. “All the while, all we do is fold our arms and say we’re not having talks anymore.”
On criminal justice, Kaine argued that Trump’s embrace of “stop-and-frisk” style policing was a mistake. Pence argued that Clinton has used police shootings to argue that there is “implicit bias” in police departments, and he said the Democrats should “stop seizing on these moments of tragedy.”
Kaine quickly shot back, “I can’t believe you are defending the position that there’s no bias.”
The vice presidential debate was held at Virginia’s Longwood University, which Pence called Norwood University. While last week’s first presidential debate was watched by a record-setting television audience of 84 million people, Tuesday’s contest was expected to have smaller viewership given Pence’s and Kaine’s lower profiles.
Debate takeaways Who’s on stage?
Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump.
Most of the debate was dominated by people not on the stage: the presidential candidates. Rather than go after each other, the two men immediately took aim at the tops of their tickets.
In his first response, Kaine took aim at Trump, saying the idea of the Republican nominee as commander in chief “scares” his family “to death.”
Pence shot back, saying Americans were right to question Clinton’s trustworthiness, citing her use of a private email system while serving as secretary of state. “That’s because they’re paying attention,” he said.
Neither Pence nor Kaine was pressed to defend any issues in their own records, including the policy differences they have with their running mates.
Pence the ignorer
Kaine repeatedly tried to hold Pence accountable for Trump’s most explosive statements, opening the debate by calling him “Donald Trump’s apprentice.”
Pence did defend Trump over a New York Times report that Trump may have avoided paying taxes for nearly two decades. Trump, said Pence, used the tax code “brilliantly” during a “tough time.”
But for most of the debate, Pence simply turned the attacks back on Clinton, leaving hanging questions about Trump’s criticisms of a federal judge, women and immigrants. Rather than defend Trump’s foreign policy positions, he criticized Clinton’s “weak and feckless leadership.”
At one point, Pence said he is “happy to defend” Trump, but then moved on to a discussion about Russia without addressing numerous issues raised by Kaine.
Kaine kept a tally of Pence’s dodges, announcing more than an hour into the debate that Pence had avoided defending Trump six times.
Trump’s softer side
Pence tried to turn the tables on the Democratic ticket by presenting Kaine and Clinton as offering an “avalanche of insults” and casting Trump in the model of a traditional GOP candidate.
After Kaine recounted a series of controversial statements Trump has made about President Barack Obama, Mexican immigrants, women and other groups, Pence wondered incredulously, “Ours is an insult-driven campaign?”
Pence offered softer rhetoric when describing the controversial policies at the core of Trump’s campaign — his promises to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and an early vow to bar foreign Muslims from entering the U.S. He said Trump is eager to work across the aisle to toughen border security and support community policing.
“He’s not a polished politician like you and Hillary Clinton,” he said when Kaine raised Trump’s statement that women should be punished for having abortions.
Even as Pence was defending Trump, however, the businessman was tweeting — and retweeting — insults. “Kaine looks like an evil crook out of the Batman movies,” read one tweet that Trump re-posted to his account.
Feisty vs. folksy
The two vice presidential candidates took different approaches to the debate, with Kaine hectoring Pence on nearly every response. The Republican National Committee, eager to paint Clinton’s typically easygoing number two as unlikable, kept a tally of over 70 interruptions.
Pence took a different tack. Between attacks, he sprinkled personal stories and promises to work across the aisle— even offering damning praise for Clinton and Kaine.
“Hillary Clinton and Senator Kaine — God bless you for it, career public servants, that’s great — Donald Trump is a businessman, not a career politician,” he said.
Kaine came packing — zingers, that is. He lobbed so many prepared soundbites that Pence called out his “predone lines.”
“Did you work on that one a long time? Because that had a lot of creative lines in it,” Pence said at one point.