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Yes, Thandi Wine is an example of many initiatives within the wine industry where an emerging wine brand got support from an established large winemaker and today is a stand-alone profitable and sustainable business. Is there anything government is doing or can do to change the landscape of BEE winemakers and make them more progressive in SA and internationally? There are a number of programmes that the government is engaged in to assist and support the emerging business, such as Export Marketing Assistance Schemes of the dti [department of trade and industry] and platforms created through Wines of South Africa at trade fairs to ensure that BEE brands get to be visible and the historically disadvantaged individuals get to tell their stories in the wine business. What opportunities or avenues could BEE winemakers try to penetrate so they are more successful in the local market?