The Herald

100 YEARS OF WISDOM

Say yes to the EU, no to Scottish independen­ce, and stop complainin­g – Phyllis Ramsay

- PHYLLIS RAMSAY Interviewe­d by Mark Smith

The best years, I think, were the 50s and early 60s. We’d got over the war, we struggled, and everyone accepted it

THERE is 100 years of history to get through today, but first I’m going to try the shortbread. Phyllis Ramsay, who will be 101 in July, made it this week as part of the regular baking she does for friends and family. It is not the only remarkable fact about her.

Firstly, she does not have a carer because she doesn’t need one. She also pretty much has never been to the doctor. And then there’s the dramatic story of her life, which stretches from the year 1917 through the days of the British Raj in India, and VE Day, right up to what she sees as the troubling politics of the present-day UK. There aren’t many people who have lived through all of that and are still around to talk about it.

The reason I’m meeting the former nurse at her home in Edinburgh is that, extremely late in life, she is achieving quite a bit of celebrity status. Mrs Ramsay is one of six 100-year-old women featured in The Century Girls, a new book by the historian Tessa Dunlop. The book has been published to mark the first female franchise in Britain and tells the stories of some of the women who were born in 1918 or before. It’s the personal story of six women with different lives, but it’s also the story of social and cultural reform, war and peace, and what has and hasn’t changed for women over a hundred years.

Mrs Ramsay’s assessment of the kind of change we’ve seen in the last century is mixed. We’re not as happy as we used to be, she thinks, partly because we’re obsessed with technology. She also thinks we’re far too gushy and emotional and if there’s one thing she can’t abide it’s people crying on the television all the time. “It’s a lot of rubbish,” she says. “And some of their grammar is shocking!”

However, don’t mistake Mrs Ramsay for the kind of person who thinks we’re all going to Hell in a handcart and the past was better than the present. In fact, she thinks the British are far too obsessed with the past, particular­ly the Second World War, and that the obsession partly explains why Brexit is happening.

“Look ahead,” she says emphatical­ly (she has earned the right to say things emphatical­ly). “People keep looking back at the war. I’m a Remainer because I think an awful lot of them weren’t using their heads to think what’s ahead of you.”

She takes the same dim view of the idea of Scottish independen­ce. “It really upsets me,” she says. “You can be nationalis­tic but not to the extent that they are trying to do it over here.

You’ve got to get on with the rest of the world.” At the last election, some

100 years after some women won the right to vote, she voted tactically to keep the Nationalis­ts out.

Talking to Mrs Ramsay about her long life, it’s not hard to spot where these values and her sense of internatio­nalism come from. She thinks of herself as British and always has done, but she was born in Bombay to an Irish father and a mother who had an Indian grandmothe­r. She then spent most of her childhood moving about India and Burma with her father’s job as a wireless operator; she also went to boarding school near Darjeeling in the Himalayas. This is where her toughness and practicali­ty comes from, and the motto of her life: get on with it.

From an early age, she was also used to mixing with different races, although it was a complex situation in British India: hierarchic­al, snobbish and restrictiv­e. The Ramsay family had servants – a nanny, a chauffeur, and a housekeepe­r – but they were by no means at the top of the social hierarchy in India. There were the government people at the top, says Mrs Ramsay, then the civil servants, including her father, then the people who worked in shops and factories, and then a big drop to the Ango-indians.

So there was a lot of snobbery? “Yes,” says Mrs Ramsay. “Even though we didn’t say anything, we felt that we were better than Anglo-indians – we had white skins.”

HOWEVER, the Ramsays were also a victim of the snobbery – it was considered best to have been born and schooled in Britain, but Phyllis’s mother had been born in India. “I played with an officer’s daughter in school but I was never invited to her house,” she says. “But my father didn’t believe that – you mixed with everyone according to him and my mother never stopped us mixing.” However, she also remembers a friend of hers being turned away from a swimming pool because her skin was too dark.

Phyllis then met a Scottish man, Jim Ramsay, during the war and moved to Edinburgh, but the tensions did not go away. The new Mrs Ramsay was Catholic but her in-laws were conservati­ve Presbyteri­an Scots and the relationsh­ip was not easy. She also stood out because of her accent, which was hard to place but definitely not Scottish.

She coped with her usual mix of bluntness and practicali­ty. Her father-in-law wanted her to marry in his Church but she refused. She also tried her best to get on with her new life. “I’m resilient,” she says.

She thinks this resilience may be one of the reasons she has lived so long, although it’s impossible to pin down any one factor. Her diet is certainly good (breakfast is usually porridge, lunch is a sandwich maybe and some fruit, and dinner is something nice from M&S).

She’s also never smoked and has been drunk only once in her life when her son passed his accountanc­y exam.

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