Han Dong tells foreign interference inquiry he tried to help Spavor and Kovrig, wants to be a Liberal again

Independent MP Han Dong told the Foreign Interfer‐ ence Commission Tuesday that he only ever advo‐ cated for the well-being of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor and would like to return to the Liberal Party.

Last year, the Don Valley North MP announced he would sit as an Independent after Global News published a report alleging he advised a senior Chinese diplomat in February 2021 that Beijing should hold off on freeing Kovrig and Spavor.

"Whenever I talk about the two Michaels I try to show that early release of the two Michaels is good for the relationship between the two countries, therefore it's something that the ChineseCanadian community would like to see," Dong told the commission.

Kovrig and Spavor were detained in China on Dec. 10, 2018, nine days after Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer of Huawei Technolo‐ gies, was arrested while changing planes in Vancou‐ ver.

Former special rapporteur on foreign interference David Johnston investigated the claim that Dong meddled in efforts to free the two men and concluded in a report re‐ leased in May that the allega‐ tion was false.

Dong filed a $15 million defamation lawsuit in April 2023 against Global News and its parent company Corus Entertainment. Dong said Tuesday that the lawsuit is in the discovery stage. He also said he has no news about his chances of return‐ ing to the Liberal fold.

Johnston did conclude that there were "irregulari‐ ties" observed with Dong's nomination for the federal Liberals in 2019 and cited what he called a "wellgrounded suspicion that the irregularities were tied to the People's Republic of China (PRC) consulate in Toronto, with whom Mr. Dong main‐ tains relationships."

"In reviewing the intelli‐ gence, I did not find evidence that Mr. Dong was aware of the irregularities or the PRC Consulate's potential involve‐ ment in his nomination," the report said.

Dong told the commission Tuesday that meeting with diplomats is part of his job as an MP with a large Chinese diaspora. He said he also meets regularly with diplo‐ mats from Ukraine, Armenia and Sri Lanka.

Intelligence summary of intercepted 'Two Michaels' call released

As Dong testified on Tuesday, a document summarizing in‐ telligence from CSIS and oth‐ er security agencies related to his call with PRC officials regarding Kovrig and Spavor was made public at the in‐ quiry.

The unclassified summary says Dong "expressed the view that even if the PRC re‐ leased the 'Two Michaels' at that moment, opposition parties would view the PRC's action as an affirmation of the effectiveness of a hardline Canadian approach to the PRC."

The summary also said Dong stated that the Canadi‐ an public believed China's ap‐ proach to Kovrig and Spavor was wrong and lacking legal justification. It also said he noted that a Canadian hardline approach to the PRC would be detrimental to Sino-Canadian relations.

The summary said Dong's reference to the two Michael‐ s' detention was in the con‐ text of his noting the diffi‐ culty of getting people to change perspectives once they solidified particular posi‐ tions.

Asked about the phone call at the inquiry on Tues‐ day, Dong said he did not re‐ call the conversation.

The summary document said it should be considered in light of several limitations, including that it may be in‐ complete, does not indicate when the information was collected, may contain singlesourced information and may contain information of "unknown and varying de‐ grees of reliability." Campaign irregularities On Tuesday, the commis‐ sion council asked Dong about intelligence reports that indicated buses were used to bring international students to Dong's 2019 nomination vote to support him.

Dong said that while he visited a student residence in his riding in the summer of 2019 to campaign the sup‐ port of students at NOIC Academy - formerly New Ori‐ ental International College his campaign did not provide the bus. He said he under‐ stood it was arranged and paid for by the school.

Dong said that while the school has now moved to Markham, Ont., the resi‐ dence was located in his rid‐ ing when he spoke to the stu‐ dents and he did not travel outside his riding to cam‐ paign during the nomination.

Ted Lojko, Dong's cam‐ paign director in 2019, later told the commission that many students at the school may have had dual Canadi‐ an-Chinese citizenship but they would have had to prove they were permanent residents in order to vote.

WATCH: Dong says he has no 'documents' on buses at heart of foreign interference claim:

When Dong was inter‐ viewed by the commission council in February, he said that his campaign organized just one bus to bring seniors who were party members to the nomination vote. He later told the commission two buses were hired for that purpose and receipts for the bus rentals had been submit‐ ted to Elections Canada.

Dong said his wife orga‐ nized the rental of the two coaches for nomination day and they were used to pick up voters in seniors homes where Dong had canvassed for votes.

Under cross examination by the Conservative Party's counsel, Dong was asked why he abstained from vot‐ ing on a Conservative motion in February 2021 that con‐ demned China for carrying out a campaign of genocide against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims.

"Because I haven't seen documents to convince me that yes, there is a genocide, or no, there isn't a genocide. So I think the fair thing for me to do was to abstain," he said.

The House of Commons vote saw 266 MPs out of 338 voting in favour of the mo‐ tion, with only two absten‐ tions. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and almost the en‐ tire cabinet were absent for the vote.

Security briefings 'prob‐ ably not a good use of resources'

Meanwhile, three party offi‐ cials - Walied Soliman, Con‐ servative campaign co-chair for the 2021 election; Azam Ishmael, who led the Liberals' 2021 campaign; and NDP na‐ tional director Anne McGrath - told the commission that while they received foreign interference briefings from security and intelligence agencies before and during the 2021 federal election, the information they received was rudimentary and un‐ helpful.

Soliman said he had to go through an extensive security clearance process in order to

represent his party at the Se‐ curity and Intelligence Threats to Elections (SITE) Task Force briefings. He said they failed to deliver any‐ thing new.

"My overall sense was that I really didn't learn any‐ thing in the briefings that I didn't regularly read in the New York Times or the Globe and Mail or the Toronto Star," he said.

"Listening to briefings on things that I think … were probably not actionable and … entirely known to us was not a good use of time and probably not a good use of resources."

Ishmael said the 2021 SITE briefings were an "inter‐ esting experience" but were "a bit disappointing" because they didn't offer recommen‐ dations.

McGrath said she was struck by how many high-lev‐ el security officials attended the briefing to only deliver in‐ formation that was generic and not actionable.

"Questions were asked," she said. "But the answers … didn't give you any informa‐ tion that would be helpful or any resources that would be helpful to deal with ques‐ tions, such as if there was foreign interference in this aspect of the election cam‐ paign, how would we know it? And what would we do about it?"

The commission's counsel introduced a document from the SITE Task Force detailing a briefing that was delivered in 2021 that outlined lessons learned from the 2019 feder‐ al election.

Party representatives challenge SITE notes

The briefing note said that the SITE Task Force saw no evidence foreign countries were targeting Elections Canada or the electoral sys‐ tem. It also said that there was no evidence of foreign countries directly interfering in "the digital information ecosystems" around the 2019 election.

The document did say that while it observed "hu‐ man actors" from China, In‐ dia and Pakistan engaged in foreign interference activities targeting certain ridings and candidates, those actions did not meet the threshold to ini‐ tiate criminal investigations.

All three campaign lead‐ ers said they had never seen that document and did not recall receiving any specific information about ridings and candidates being tar‐ geted by those countries in the 2019 election.

Soliman and Ishmael said that going into the 2021 elec‐ tion, the possibility of foreign interference was low on their radar because they had not been told of any significant foreign interference activities at the time of the 2019 feder‐ al election.

The 2021 Conservative platform and China

"If there was any sense that there was going to be any ac‐ tivity by the People's Republic of China against Parliament and certain MPs and interfer‐ ence in specific ridings, it would have been useful to know that," McGrath said.

"It would have been use‐ ful to know which ridings, what type of interference and what we should do about it."

The commission's counsel cited another document from the SITE Task Force de‐ scribing briefings to political parties that explained how China was picking up on the Conservative Party's platform and its possible impact on Canada/China relations.

Soliman said he could not recall receiving any briefing from the task force during the 2021 election that sug‐ gested the Conservative plat‐ form was being singled out by China. Ishmael and Mc‐ Grath also said they could not recall a SITE briefing that presented those details.

In 2021, the Conservative platform pledged to recog‐ nize the Uyghur genocide and encourage allies to do the same, promised to ban imports manufactured with forced and enslaved Uyghur labour and proposed to ban mobile giant Huawei from Canada's 5G mobile infra‐ structure.

The platform also promised that if the Conserv‐ atives formed government, Ottawa would investigate Huawei's "role in providing surveillance capabilities that have been used against the Uyghur people and other persecuted minorities in China."

'Our concerns were never taken seriously'

Soliman was the Conserv‐ ative representative on the SITE Task Force during the 2021 race and has said the party was never notified of any threats to the electoral process.

"Our party was seeing clear signs of tampering in ridings with substantial Chi‐ nese diasporas," he wrote on social media in February 2023. "Our concerns were never taken seriously."

Former national security adviser Jody Thomas testified that the government provided a response to Soli‐ man's concerns, and nothing was found to suggest that "the ridings that he was con‐ cerned about were affected by attempts at foreign inter‐ ference."

The Foreign Interference Commission inquiry, led by Quebec judge Marie-Josee Hogue, expects to hear testi‐ mony from more than 40 people, including community members, political party rep‐ resentatives and federal elec‐ tion officials.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, members of his cabinet and various senior government officials are slated to appear at the hear‐ ings, which are set to con‐ clude April 10.

An initial report of find‐ ings from the commission is due May 3.

The inquiry will then shift to broader policy issues, looking at the government's ability to detect, deter and counter foreign interference. A final report is expected by the end of the year.