Climate warrior Jane Goodall isn't sold on carbon taxes and electric vehicles

World-renowned primatol‐ ogist and climate activist Jane Goodall says carbon pricing schemes like the one Canada has deployed aren't a silver bullet to solve the pressing threat of climate change.

Speaking to CBC News during the Ottawa stop of her cross-country tour of Canada this week, Goodall said the jury's out on whether levying a consumer price on emissions will mean‐ ingfully improve the climate picture over the long term.

Goodall, who just turned 90, said a carbon tax can seem punitive to consumers making a measure to fight cli‐ mate change seem like a costly chore.

She said she also worries that the fight against climate change has been "politicized ... causing people just not to listen" - and that's a problem because the urgency of the crisis demands an all-handson-deck response.

Industrial carbon taxes al‐ so rarely impose a huge fi‐ nancial burden on major en‐ ergy companies, which can pay a levy and go on drilling and mining resources that are damaging to the environ‐ ment, she said.

"The problem with a cli‐ mate tax is that, yes, it can do some good - it gives money to control climate change and so on - but it doesn't get to the root cause, which is fossil fuel emissions, emis‐ sions of methane from indus‐ trial farming," she said. "So, in that sense, it's not some‐ thing I endorse."

Goodall said carbon taxes are "not a bad thing at all" but "a big oil and gas com‐ pany, they pay a tax and then they're making so much money they go on emitting and mining and so on. So it's not the solution."

She said a more effective measure would be to aggres‐ sively curtail fossil fuel ex‐ traction and their use in Canada and around the wor‐ ld.

"We need to curb it every‐ where. I have great faith in young people - they're begin‐ ning to understand and they can affect their parents who may be in the oil business," Goodall said.

"Some of the more re‐ sponsible oil and gas com‐ panies are investing more and more in renewable en‐ ergy and that's the way to go - put more money into re‐ newable energy so that we no longer need fossil fuels."

Canada has a dual carbon pricing system. The first part is a consumer-focused tax that makes the price of oil, natural gas and propane more expensive to encour‐ age people to choose cleaner, greener alternatives.

The tax money is collected by Ottawa and then rebated to consumers through quar‐ terly payments based on family size and location.

The idea is that the more a household moves away from fossil fuel consumption, the more it stands to gain from the federal governmen‐ t's rebate.

There's also a second in‐ dustrial component, or "out‐ put-based pricing system," that targets large emitters with a separate price levied on their carbon pollution.

That program has faced criticism from some environ‐ mental groups who say the price is applied unevenly and allows some companies to emit large quantities of car‐ bon for free.

But the industrial price is also said to be the more ef‐ fective of the two taxes.

An independent analysis by the Canadian Climate In‐ stitute, released late last month, shows industrial car‐ bon pricing has three times the impact on greenhouse gas emissions as the con‐ sumer tax.

The report found that car‐ bon pricing - both the con‐ sumer and industrial ver‐ sions - is projected to reduce emissions by as much as 50 per cent by 2030.

The Liberal government has made the carbon tax the centrepiece of its climate change plan.

The Conservatives under leader Pierre Poilievre, mean‐ while, have been campaign‐ ing to scrap the tax and ramp up natural gas production to offset more emissions-inten‐ sive fuels like coal.

While she's somewhat sceptical of carbon taxes and emissions pricing schemes, Goodall said the world needs to collectively invest more in technology to help with the climate change fight.

"We have these amazing intellects. We're not using them enough and we're not thinking holistically enough," she said.

But she added she's wor‐ ried about the current crop of electric vehicles, which largely rely on lithium bat‐ teries.

She welcomes EVs as a concept but said she fears that the global scramble to mine lithium is ruining parts of the natural environment.

"Huge areas are now being destroyed by mining for lithium," she said. "It scars the natural world."

Pointing to Serbia, where the prospect of lithium min‐ ing prompted anger from lo‐ cal activists, Goodall said there's a risk that the rush to exploit the world's lithium supply will damage the "pris‐ tine environment" and spark a backlash.

She also said the lithium mining and refining process requires "lots of water," which is "tough in places where there's not that much fresh water."

"To me, that's one of the big problems of electric vehi‐ cles," Goodall said. "Appar‐ ently there are other ways of sourcing batteries other than lithium and that needs to be developed."

Goodall was in Ottawa Wednesday to be feted by the Senate.

Progressive Saskatchewan Sen. Marty Klyne - who spon‐ sored legislation named after Goodall to effectively ban keeping great apes and ele‐ phants in captivity in Canada - praised the British primatol‐ ogist and conservationist for her "legendary discoveries" about chimpanzees and her ongoing work to protect nature and the environment.

Despite her advanced age, Goodall is on the road rough‐ ly 300 days a year, mostly meeting with young people to encourage them to stay committed to the climate fight despite what she calls a lot of "doom and gloom" dis‐ seminated by the media about the environment.

"Her message has never been more urgent when it comes to addressing the cli‐ mate crisis, biodiversity and animal welfare," Klyne said.

Klyne's legislation built on a previous Senate bill to limit whale and dolphin captivity. It languished in Parliament for years before it was with‐ drawn.

The government has since introduced legislation of its own, S-15. If passed, it would prohibit the new ownership of elephants and great apes in Canada unless certain con‐ ditions are met - a measure Goodall enthusiastically sup‐ ports.

Jane Goodall Institute Canada, the local branch of her worldwide charity, is fo‐ cused on biodiversity loss - it has a program to rehabilitate orphaned chimpanzees in Africa, for example - but it's also active on the climate change file.

"The climate crisis is here. Forests are burning. Oceans are rising. Climate change is no longer a future threat. You are living in it now, as you read this. The main problem is carbon," the institute says on its website.

Some conservative-min‐ ded politicians say Canada produces relatively few emis‐ sions - the country is respon‐ sible for just 1.5 per cent of global emissions - and main‐ tain that it's really up to larger emitters like China, In‐ dia and the U.S. to aggres‐ sively curb greenhouse gas emissions to make a mean‐ ingful change.

Goodall said that argu‐ ment is problematic.

"Canada can set a good example. There are many other small countries who might feel the same, 'We can't make a difference so why bother?' We all need to realize it takes all of us to make a difference," she said.

Goodall said half-hearted climate action by the global community is driving "ap‐ athy," particular among young people.

Some recent Canadian polls show that some Gener‐ ation Z and millennial voters see climate action as less of a priority than older voters, as the cost of living, the economy, housing and health care become more pressing.

There was a sense of promise after the 2015 Paris climate talks, when the world committed to hold global warming to below 2 C above pre-industrial levels, but ac‐ tion has been wanting in some jurisdictions, Goodall said.

"If governments all actual‐ ly did what they promised to do, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today," she said.