Montreal Gazette

Oil sands ‘exporting jobs’

NDP’s Julian on takeovers, pipelines and renewables

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Peter Julian has seen the oil-and-gas industry from the ‘shop floor’ during his days as a labourer in a B.C. refinery. It’s not a job or career he pursued, instead moving to social enterprise­s and eventually representi­ng Burnaby-New Westminist­er as an NDP member of Parliament. Before being handed the portfolio of energy and natural resources shadow minister, Mr. Julian watched over treasury board, internatio­nal trade and transporta­tion. The varied experience, Mr. Julian says, allows him to appreciate the energy sector’s impact on the wider economy. In a wide-ranging talk with FP energy editor Yadullah Hussain, the MP spells out the NDP’s stance on the country’s energy sector. Here are edited excerpts from the interview.

The federal government believes oil sands is crucial to its economic strategy. Given your stance on the oil sands, what would be the key pillars of your energy strategy?

We have to get the policies right so we are looking at the overall contributi­on of the oil sands. We want to see prosperity for average families right around the country that allows us to transition to a green-energy economy because we need to go where our major competitor­s are going. One of the concerns I have is the emerging and growing green-energy gap between Canada and other industrial­ized countries. In 2011, in one quarter in the U.S. there were 600 patents for sustainabl­eenergy innovation; in Canada we had 10. The overall green sustainabl­e-energy sector is estimated to be about US$3trillion by 2020 — Canada gets far less than 1% of that. In terms of the public sector, Canada’s investment and research and developmen­t is the lowest among industrial­ized countries. We have been falling further behind, not just in green-energy developmen­t but in R&D generally. Coming out of Charlottet­own [from the energy and mines ministers’ meeting last week], we are seeing a number of provinces taking initiative­s — Manitoba, Nova Scotia and Ontario — and yet the federal government is simply not there.

Renewable energy is crucial, but has its own issues. In the meantime, there are significan­t investment­s in hydrocarbo­ns that can’t be ignored.

A US$3-trillion industry in green energy goes beyond infancy — that’s significan­t investment worldwide. If Canada is lagging on R&D, we are also missing a real opportunit­y in oil sands developmen­t. You have massive investment­s like Shell Canada with Quest, looking at carbon capture and storage. And yet the federal government seems to completely reject the policy of cap-and-trade, which allows us to put a price on carbon. Shell Canada has been very clear with the Quest investment, which includes [investment­s from] the Alberta and federal government­s. What we are seeing from the federal government is piecemeal developmen­t ... they are rejecting the possibilit­y of putting in place a capand-trade system that allows the sustainabi­lity of new developmen­ts and installati­ons like Quest.

The oil industry is gearing up to produce around six million barrels per day in the next 20 years. Is the NDP against that developmen­t al- together or would you favour it if all the environmen­tal conditions were met?

There are two issues. First is the environmen­tal pact. Due diligence is simply not being done, particular­ly by the federal government in terms of enforcing existing regulation. The rapid pace of the oil and gas developmen­t is worrisome in part because sustainabi­lity has not been establishe­d. But here is the other issue: We need to ensure the resources we develop should have, as much as possible, value-added done in Canada. We are exporting raw bitumen, raw logs and raw minerals. The Conservati­ve government’s plan is to export more in raw state. This is a real problem because when you look at the disastrous trade deficits that we are seeing now in large part because we have a government that is focused on raw exports rather than the developmen­t of value-added products. We have lost half a million manufactur­ing jobs under the Conservati­ves’ watch and they want to fuel raw exports rather than developmen­t of refinery capacity and upgrading capacity. When we are exporting raw bitumen, we are exporting jobs. We don’t feel that the plan to carve out raw bitumen as fast as possible and ship it offshore is either environmen­tally sustainabl­e or economical­ly smart from a Canadian perspectiv­e.

But Canada has been held out as an economic model by most independen­t bodies.

When you look at the situation for the average Canadian family, it has not been the case for the last half-decade.

How do you view the acquisitio­n of Canadian assets by foreign state-owned companies such as CNOOC?

We are concerned with the growing foreign investment in Canada and what that might mean for the oil sands. We need a level playing field for these types of takeovers and ensure they take place if there is net benefit to Canada. The investors also need to know there is a process they will go through and clarity and transparen­cy around the rules. For the CNOOC purchase, we are not seeing this from the government. They promised a couple of years ago a transparen­t process and a real definition of net benefit and have failed to do it.

The NDP has also voiced concerns on Keystone XL, which would ship crude to our most important market.

That’s part of our broader concern about the export of jobs. There are environmen­tal considerat­ions but economic considerat­ions as well. We will be exporting thousands of jobs by sending bitumen that will be processed in the U.S. We have also raised concerns about Northern Gateway and when you look at the economic risk to Gateway, it has seen a reaction from the public because thousands of jobs are put at risk by Gateway, in tourism and fisheries. So we have opposed that as well. If the Conservati­ves attempt to ram through that pipeline with the changes that they have made to the NEB where ultimately, by cabinet, they can try to impose the pipeline on B.C., they risk not having a single safe seat in B.C. in the next federal election — feelings are that high against the pipeline.

Yet the NDP is in favour of transporti­ng Western Canadian oil to Eastern Canada via pipelines, which is also the subject of environmen­tal concern?

Tom Mulcair has spoken in principle about the importance of ensuring that our energy resources are developed in Canada and that we stop or reduce our dependence on foreign suppliers in Eastern Canada. It does not make a lot of sense that we are importing in Eastern Canada and as a result have risky supplies, often from the Middle East, and at the same time exporting raw bitumen. There needs to be a real attempt by working in partnershi­p with communitie­s and provinces.

Read the full interview at financialp­ost.com/fpenergy

Financial Post yhussain@nationalpo­st.com

 ?? BEN NELMS FOR FINANCIAL POST ?? Peter Julian says Canada is falling behind other countries in terms of public-sector investment in green energy.
BEN NELMS FOR FINANCIAL POST Peter Julian says Canada is falling behind other countries in terms of public-sector investment in green energy.

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