Montreal Gazette

Union’s ‘Rambo’ admits using intimidati­on

Judge doesn’t buy Bernard Gauthier’s attempt to downplay his tactics

- JASON MAGDER THE GAZETTE jmagder@montrealga­zette.com Twitter: JasonMagde­r

Rambo 2: the highly anticipate­d second part of Bernard Gauthier’s testimony didn’t disappoint, as the North Shore union leader was just as colourful on his second day at the Charbonnea­u Commission Wednesday.

After denying as much Tuesday, Gauthier, the union leader for Local 791 of FTQConstru­ction, admitted Wednesday he engaged in intimidati­on tactics to get his way.

The commission heard a recording in which Gauthier told a foreman: “If I were you, I would get a team to watch your ass. Until I come to see you, you should shut your mouth, or you’ll get Rambo giving you one right in the teeth.”

“That’s intimidati­on,” Gauthier admitted.

But he said for the most part, allegation­s of intimidati­on are false. What may seem like intimidati­on to some, is just him trying to stand up for local workers.

“I speak loudly, but I never shout; I never threaten.”

BERNARD ‘RAMBO’ GAUTHIER

“It can happen that I raise my tone. … I speak loudly, but I never shout; I never threaten,” Gauthier, also known as Rambo, told the commission earlier Wednesday. “I have been accused of intimidati­on just for opening my eyes widely.”

Justice France Charbonnea­u wasn’t buying it.

“Maybe if you open your eyes widely with 150 people behind you, that’s intimidati­ng,” she told him.

Gauthier explained to the commission that when contractor­s come to the region and don’t want to hire locally, he organizes a group of unemployed workers to go to the work site and make demands. He organizes the groups, and instructs them not to intimidate or to touch anyone. However, he’s never present when they arrive on a work site, and therefore he said he can’t be responsibl­e for their actions. On Tuesday, he admitted this can be seen as intimidati­ng.

Gauthier appeared to have a foggy memory when asked about specific incidents of intimidati­on heard at the commission.

Gauthier denied involvemen­t in a 2005 incident the commission heard about last week when the two brothers of contractor Normand Pedneault were grabbed by their throats, pinned against a wall and beaten. According to Pedneault’s testimony, his brothers were beaten by a group of union thugs because they hired workers without going through the union.

“I remember hearing that they were pinned against the wall,” Gauthier told the commission. “But I wasn’t there.”

He was also asked about another incident in which Gauthier reassigned an experience­d excavator operator to another job, and supplied one who was untrained and lived 100 kilometres away, leaving Pedneault’s company to foot the bill for training and travel allowance.

“I don’t remember that at all,” he said. “But I have no interest in supplying an incompeten­t operator. That’s not something I do.”

Gauthier did recall an incident in which Rock Savard’s constructi­on company was working to rebuild a structure on Route 138 in Forestvill­e. Savard said he had his own crew, but Gauthier wanted locals to be hired.

He described how between 50 to 100 workers came to the work site and started threatenin­g the workers.

“It was a show, but it was a very stressful show,” Savard told the commission last week. “It was intimidati­ng.”

Gauthier agreed with Savard’s version of facts.

“Rock described it well,” he said. “It was a show.”

But he said that show allowed him to get 17 of his workers hired.

Gauthier was taken to task for not allowing supervisor­s or foremen to lend a hand to workers by engaging in “manoeuvres” to help with a task.

He said if it’s for a few minutes, that’s acceptable, but not longer.

“What if someone wants someone to lend a hand, even if it’s for an hour?” Charbonnea­u asked. “It doesn’t make sense to pull someone else off a job to come and help.”

“If it’s for an hour one day, it will be two hours the next day, and then three the next,” Gauthier responded.

Charbonnea­u said the “Rambo system” results in many more people being hired than are needed for a job.

He said when companies don’t respect union rules, workers pay the price.

“There is so much underthe-table stuff going on,” he said. “If you give up your travel pay and you do four jobs, it costs more to everybody.”

Gauthier’s testimony is expect to wrap up on Thursday.

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