National Post

DIVIDED WE FALL

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This month, the National Post convened a roundtable of Canadian conservati­ves to discuss the following question: Does regionalis­m obstruct their cause? With author Adam Daifallah moderating, the participan­ts were St. John’s Tory activist Liam O’Brien, Calgary conservati­ve Michelle Kraft, Montreal Conservati­ve Party of Canada (CPC) activist Paul Beaudry and Toronto-area CPC candidate Michael Mostyn.

I don’t agree that Canada has become so regionaliz­ed that it has become an obstacle for conservati­ves. In fact, one of the reasons I became a fan of the Conservati­ves, and the PC party before that, was that it was the voice of provincial rights.

At the Conservati­ve convention in Montreal last March, Newfoundla­nders and Labradoria­ns were lining up next to Albertans to speak about the need for greater decentrali­zation, to get power closer to the people. You can accommodat­e many more regional concerns if you do that. M. K.: It’s funny you brought up the convention, because I remember the same thing. The media reports before the convention were “the party’s going to implode” or “the fractures are going to come out,” and how regionalis­m would destroy the party. But talking to the delegates from across the country I found we had the same concerns, and that the way to remedy those concerns is through decentrali­zation.

Whenever there’s an election, you can count on the Liberals trotting out Alberta as the bogeyman to play regions off one another. But I guess I think the regions have more in common than they have difference­s. L. O.: When Ralph Klein has come out to say that we need to respect the provinces on energy policy, or when [Newfoundla­nd and Labrador Premier] Danny Williams says something about equalizati­on, the federal Conservati­ves don’t automatica­lly take the position that they have to “stand up to the provinces.” They recognize that the provinces are important. A. D.: Michael, do you get the same sense in Ontario? And if what they’re saying is true, why hasn’t the party done better? M. M.: One of the reasons I think regionalis­m is not a big deal for the party is that the party has [broad] principles that we stick to, such as support for democratic reform in Canada and for democracy abroad. These are just conservati­ve concepts — no matter where we are in the country, it unites everybody. A. D.: Paul, why is the Conservati­ve party not on the radar in Quebec? P. B.: In the last election, voters were angry at the Liberals, and they channelled that anger to vote for the Bloc Québécois. I think part of the problem is that many people who are not necessaril­y separatist­s think the Bloc is the only party that is going to represent Quebecers in Ottawa. And when you look at English Quebecers — and I live on the [mostly Anglophone] West Island in Montreal — I have the feeling that even when they’re not happy with the Liberals, they would see a vote for the Conservati­ves as a vote given away to the Bloc.

I think our challenge is to say to all those nationalis­t Quebecers who believe power in Ottawa must be decentrali­zed that the Bloc is never going to be part of a government, so if they want their interests represente­d [the Conservati­ves] are the party to do it. A. D.: Michelle, do you think the party has the ability to make inroads in Quebec? M. M.: Definitely. I know a lot of Quebecers have the same grievances as Albertans. It’s a matter of convincing Quebecers that they can trust the Conservati­ve party and that it’s a viable alternativ­e to the Liberals and the Bloc. I don’t think we’ll ever give up on Quebec. P. B.: I think watering down the platform to try to appeal to Quebecers would be a big mistake. Our challenge is to get the party’s message out there. Our platform has the potential to sell well in Quebec, especially the fiscal side of it. A. D.: I live in Quebec City, and I can tell you the Conservati­ve party is nowhere. So you’re saying the party just has to get its views more widely known? P. B.: I think so. I’ll tell you why. If you take, for example, the Quebec City area, at the provincial level the ADQ [Action démocratiq­ue du Québec] did very well in certain regions. When you look at their platform, it is most similar to the Conservati­ve party. And what was the ADQ able to do? It was able to get the fiscal conservati­ve vote and the nationalis­t vote. L. O.: The greatest trick the Liberal party ever played was convincing the regions of this country that they have disparate interests. In reality, we have so much in common it’s quite startling.

I’ll give you an example: regional developmen­t agencies. I put forward a resolution [at the Conservati­ve policy convention] in Montreal to try to eliminate these things, and I’m from Newfoundla­nd. The East Coasters were in agreement with people from all over Canada, but then the Quebecers pointed out that some of those agencies had research and developmen­t projects that were still important to Quebec. So the convention floor, quite literally, kind of said, “OK, we need to compromise.” The result was a policy that said we still need to get rid of corporate welfare, but also realized we still needed to respect the need for R&D. There’s an example of a policy where Quebec and the East came up with something still palatable to the West. A. D.: If regionalis­m isn’t a problem, why isn’t the party doing better? M. M.: You have to remember we have only had a new, united Conservati­ve party for a short time. In Ontario, and in Toronto specifical­ly, there hasn’t been a viable alternativ­e for a long time.

Remember that historical­ly, conservati­ve parties have been strong, united parties that have brought together different conservati­ve interests. In 1942 under John Diefenbake­r, that was when the Progressiv­e party and the Conservati­ve party joined together and that led to two majority government­s. Borden brought different parties together and so did John A. Macdonald. A. D.: What about the issues that play well in some areas, but not others? In Ontario, the Conservati­ves were undone by their perceived position on “social conservati­ve” issues such as same-sex marriage. M. M.: Well, there are certainly issues that are more important to certain regions. Softwood lumber, for example, is not a big deal to most people in Toronto. The thing I liked about Stephen Harper’s position on same-sex marriage is that he allowed everyone to vote freely on it. That’s a conservati­ve principle, allowing MPs to represent their own constituen­ts. P. B.: People still have those unfounded stereotype­s about the Conservati­ve party. Take abortion. Even though the party’s stance is to not legislate on abortion, people believe [otherwise]. NP: Do Albertans think the party needs to change the platform to appeal to Ontario and Quebec? M. M.: No, I think the majority of people out here think we have a common sense platform that will work, and it’s just a matter of getting it out there. I think if the party did change its platform, if it did leave our core values behind, that might cause a lot of people out here to question their support.

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