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Allegation­s not enough to raise alarm: Trudeau

CLAIMS OF ELECTION INTERFEREN­CE NOT ‘SUFFICIENT­LY CREDIBLE’ TO REMOVE HAN DONG FROM BALLOT

- Catherine lévesque Christophe­r nardi and in Ottawa

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he did not receive “sufficient­ly credible informatio­n” to remove Liberal candidate Han Dong from the 2019 election ballot despite a warning from security intelligen­ce officials that they suspected irregulari­ties and potential interferen­ce by China in Dong’s nomination.

“In this case, I didn’t feel that there was sufficient are sufficient­ly credible informatio­n that would justify this very significan­t step as to remove a candidate,” Trudeau testified before a packed room on the final full day of hearings of the Public Inquiry into Foreign Interferen­ce on Wednesday.

The prime minister said he first found out about CSIS’S concerns about the 2019 Liberal nomination race in the Toronto riding of Don Valley North from a senior adviser in Ottawa during the election in September 2019.

He recounted how he met with Liberal campaign director Jeremy Broadhurst in a holding room at the Ottawa airport as he prepared to continue campaignin­g to discuss “concerns” from the Canadian Security Intelligen­ce Service (CSIS) and the Security and Intelligen­ce Threats to

Elections (SITE) Task Force.

“Intelligen­ce services had shared with him concerns that Chinese officials in Canada had been developing plans to possibly engage in interferen­ce in the nomination contest. Specifical­ly, by mobilizing buses filled with students or buses filled with Chinese speakers or Chinese diaspora members who ... would have been mobilized to support Han Dong,” the prime minister told the inquiry.

But after a discussion with Broadhurst about the credibilit­y of the intelligen­ce, Trudeau said he determined it did not meet the bar of reversing a “democratic” nomination process.

In his pre-hearing interview with inquiry counsel, provided to the inquiry in summary form, Trudeau said that CSIS agents also don’t always understand political processes.

“PM Trudeau noted that CSIS agents, with all their expertise, might not know how nomination processes typically unfold. He said that he and Mr. Broadhurst had perhaps a greater understand­ing of nomination realities than the agents involved.

The buses seemed like a ‘smoking gun’ for some analysts; they were not for someone who works in a political party,” reads the summary.

Dong eventually resigned from the Liberal party after Global News reported on allegation­s that the then Liberal MP had told a Chinese government official in Toronto that keeping Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig imprisoned in China, where they were being held, would be good for the Liberals in the 2021 election. Former special rapporteur on foreign interferen­ce David Johnston and senior PMO staffer Brian Clow have said that claim is false.

Public Safety Minister Bill Blair also testified earlier Wednesday that he had seen no “substantia­l evidence” of a Russian effort to interfere in the 2019 and 2021 federal election outcomes, though the country has tried to influence Canadians’ opinions, he said.

“We have observed a fairly concerted effort among a number of hostile actors, including Russia, to engage in disinforma­tion within our society, but not specifical­ly directed at our electoral processes” in 2019 and 2021, Blair told the Public Inquiry into Foreign Interferen­ce Wednesday.

“In either election, I’m not aware of any activity by Russia through their disinforma­tion campaigns to influence the outcome of that election. They were influencin­g other types of public opinion, but I did not see evidence of it directed towards the outcome of our 2019 or 2021 elections.”

Wednesday was the final full day of public hearings on what the government knew and didn’t know about foreign interferen­ce during the 2019 and 2021 federal elections. Testimonie­s included former and current cabinet ministers and the prime minister.

During his testimony, Blair said he was made aware by the Canadian Security and Intelligen­ce Service (CSIS) about alleged “irregulari­ties” in the Liberal nomination race for the Don Valley North riding leading up to the 2019 election after candidate Han Dong was chosen by Liberal members.

CSIS suspected Chinese government officials may have been behind a group of Chinese students being bused in on nomination vote day to support Dong.

But Blair said he remained unconvince­d by the service’s intelligen­ce after the briefing.

“Minister Blair was not concerned about the intelligen­ce at the time because (1) it was not firmly substantia­ted; (2) it did not suggest MP Dong was aware of the irregulari­ties; and (3) it did not suggest that the Don Valley North election results had been compromise­d,” reads a summary of a Feb. 21 interview between commission counsel and Blair.

Testifying Wednesday morning, Liberal MP Karina Gould — formerly the minister responsibl­e for protecting Canada’s democratic institutio­ns — said she was never briefed during or after the 2019 federal election on allegation­s of foreign interferen­ce in a Liberal nomination race that year.

She told the inquiry that when she was appointed minister of democratic institutio­ns in January 2017, she faced what she called the “Obama dilemma” in a reference to debates within the former U.S. president’s administra­tion on if they should make a public statement on Russian attempts to influence American elections.

“The very fact of making a public comment can be seen as interferen­ce,” Gould said.

Already in 2017, Gould recalled that Russia, China as well as India, Pakistan and Iran, were named as “threat actors, with an emphasis being put on Russia’s activities,” she said in her pre-interview witness statement presented to the inquiry.

After the 2019 election, Gould was informed that CSIS had observed “lowlevel foreign interferen­ce activities by China, similar to what had been seen in the past.” She said she was not briefed on the alleged irregulari­ties about the Don Valley North nomination process before the election.

But a security brief prepared for Gould dated Oct. 29, 2019, showed that “China remained interested in supporting candidates and individual­s who it perceived would benefit China’s overall strategic interests” and that there were “limited specific incidents” that suggested foreign interferen­ce.

One of them was specific to Don Valley North, although Gould told the inquiry she was never told of specific foreign interferen­ce concerns including in the Toronto riding.

Over two weeks, the inquiry heard from political actors, senior public servants and members of the intelligen­ce community about the alleged foreign interferen­ce that happened in the 2019 and 2021 elections, and how the internal mechanisms put in place by the government responded to them.

A recurring event detailed during the inquiry were warnings by CSIS that China may have been behind an initiative to bus Chinese students to vote for Han Dong in the Liberal nomination race in the Toronto riding of Don Valley North in the lead up to the 2019 election.

Witnesses described a bureaucrat­ic and complex process for the flow of informatio­n emerging from Canada’s spy agency on possible threats to elections to the task force meant to monitor the elections, but also between the task force and the campaign directors of political parties.

While senior public servants were quick to suppress a false report about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during the 2019 election, Conservati­ve officials testified they were left to themselves to monitor and combat the misinforma­tion targeting their own party during the 2021 election.

And finally, testimony from Trudeau’s inner circle showed the existing tensions between the government and the intelligen­ce community, with many questions left unanswered on what the prime minister knew about instances of foreign interferen­ce in past elections before media leaks.

 ?? SEAN KILPATRICK / THE CANADIAN PRESS ?? Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appears as a witness at the foreign interferen­ce inquiry Wednesday.
SEAN KILPATRICK / THE CANADIAN PRESS Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appears as a witness at the foreign interferen­ce inquiry Wednesday.
 ?? SEAN KILPATRICK / THE CANADIAN PRESS ?? Public Safety Minister Bill Blair testified Wednesday that he had seen no “substantia­l evidence” of a Russian effort to interfere in the 2019 and 2021 federal election outcomes.
SEAN KILPATRICK / THE CANADIAN PRESS Public Safety Minister Bill Blair testified Wednesday that he had seen no “substantia­l evidence” of a Russian effort to interfere in the 2019 and 2021 federal election outcomes.
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Karina Gould

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