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‘Too male for the CBC.’

One Post columnist’s experience­s with the CBC’S diversity culture

- Matt Gurney

On Monday, a job ad was posted seeking a new host for a CBC children’s program. It sought a male between 23 and 35 years of age who could carry a tune. Oh, and “Any race except Caucasian.”

The job ad was quickly amended — the “no whites” bit disappeare­d. The CBC said it was looking into the incident, and the casting agency that had published the informatio­n apologized quickly, calling it a mistake.

A mistake? No doubt. But for those who’ve dealt with the CBC, it’s hard to believe it was an accident.

The idea that a casting agency would just randomly decide on its own to exclude an entire race of people was always implausibl­e. A better guess was that the CBC had communicat­ed to the agency what kind of candidate it was looking for. Would CBC execs have said, “Whitey need not apply”? Of course not. But it’s likely that while discussing the ideal candidate for the job, they strongly implied that it would be terrific if the candidates were “of colour.”

The casting agency has all- but confirmed this. “We were asked to seek a cast of diversity,” the company said. “We mistakenly took that to mean that the production was not seeking Caucasian actors. This was a mistake that was made entirely by the casting company.”

Well, yes and no. Being so blunt about it was the mistake. But were they mistaken to assume that the CBC didn’t want a white guy? Doubtful.

I’ve had a taste of this myself. Part of my job is going on radio and TV programs to represent the Post and offer commentary. The Matt Gurney:

White guy overwhelmi­ng majority of the time, the process is simple: A producer emails me an invite and I say yes.

But the CBC, which has more staff than your typical private-sector station could even imagine, has a much more involved process. Before you ever get on CBC, you conduct a lengthy pre-interview with a producer, who tests out your answers on a variety of angles. It’s actually not unusual for the preintervi­ew to last longer than the real interview.

One of the first times I went through this process, after spending about 20 minutes on the phone with a very earnest and friendly producer, she told me, “This sounds great. This is exactly what we’re looking for. Would you be able to be at our Toronto studio tomorrow?” I confirmed that I was able. “Great!” she said. “Then we’re all set, except for one thing: We’re trying to get a woman on the show to have more balance, and if we get one, we’ll have to take a raincheck for you.”

Bemused, I thanked her and hung up. Several hours later, I got a call back. “You’re off the hook!” she said cheerfully. “We found a woman!” (The Post’s very own Tasha Kheiriddin, as it turned out.)

I’ve been on the CBC a bunch of times since, and would be happy to go on again at any time. But I’ve been preintervi­ewed two or three times more often than I’ve been on the air, and have been re- peatedly told that I’m being bumped for diversity reasons. A few times I’ve even been told the entire segment has been scrapped, but I’ve then heard it on air as planned, featuring people who can check off more diversity boxes than I can.

This doesn’t offend me. Producers pick the best guests to meet their show’s needs. But I find it intriguing how blasé the CBC’s staff is about it. Based on how openly and cheerfully they discuss the need to fill positions — even just guest commentato­rs competing for eight minutes on The Current — based on the race or gender of the candidate, you can be absolutely positive that the CBC’s entire culture is steeped in diversity. It’s Priority One.

The casting agency knew what their client wanted. Their only mistake was saying so in plain language.

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