Vancouver Sun

Prefer beeps to billable hours? Free robot lawyer chatbot set for Canada

- JOANNE LEE-YOUNG

Joshua Browder is a 20-year-old British computer science student at Stanford University who has gained attention for inventing the robot lawyer.

The technology has helped offenders in the U.S. and U.K. overturn some 400,000 parking and traffic tickets since it was launched two years ago.

“Everyone hates parking tickets, it turns out,” he says. “But I realized there are other disputes — making claims for delayed flights, lost luggage, arguing with landlords.”

He created an interactiv­e website known as a chatbot that starts with a user’s complaint, asks a series of questions, and summarizes the answers into legal documents, all for free.

Since hiring a lawyer for even the most basic legal needs can cost hundreds of dollars, Browder’s technology has led to him being dubbed a Robin Hood of the law.

Last year, Browder offered his DoNotPay service across the U.S. On Tuesday, he said the chatbot will soon be available to users in four Canadian cities: Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa.

“We will start (in Canada) by working with traffic tickets, but then later expand to providing legal documents for other disputes,” says Browder, who was in Vancouver to speak at the Innovate Now Canada conference. “The service is completely free and most (queries) can be done in under 30 seconds.”

There is, of course, a charming story behind this possibly disruptive venture.

Browder was a high school student in London when he started racking up a bunch of parking tickets.

His parents got fed up and started making him pay the fines.

“I began looking into all the obscure reasons why parking tickets get dismissed,” Browder says.

“I became a bit of legend for getting out of tickets and people started asking me for help: my teachers, friends. I thought I should find a way to do it automatica­lly.

“And then, all of a sudden, a blog picked it up in August 2015.”

In July, Browder announced his chatbot would expand into providing documents for disputes and requests spanning a thousand areas of law, from requesting parental leave to getting a restrainin­g order, in the U.S. and U.K.

His next project is to provide documents for divorces.

“I don’t want to be increasing divorce rates,” Browder jokes. “Some people don’t have many assets to split, but (having access to documents) would allow people to get out of (an unhappy) situation for free.”

Reached on Tuesday afternoon, the Law Society of B.C. said in a statement it needed more time “to look into the matter and consult with the appropriat­e subject matter experts.”

Vancouver lawyer Paul Doroshenko says it will be interestin­g to see what the society has to say about practising law without a licence.

In B.C., disputes to parking and traffic tickets have to be lodged by showing up to court in person, but with provincial government’s moves to bring in electronic traffic ticketing, disputing via documents submitted online will become more commonplac­e, Doroshenko says. Elsewhere, legal eagles have disputed a chatbot’s ability to do things such as sign a document or handle complicate­d relationsh­ips with a human touch.

Browder, who started studying at Stanford in 2015, says his degree is a bit of a “side project,” but he is interested in how robots can respond to questions with human nuances using artificial intelligen­ce.

 ?? NICK PROCAYLO ?? Joshua Browder, a Stanford University student who spoke at this week’s Innovate Now Canada conference, created a lawyer chatbot called DoNotPay. He says his next project is to provide documents for divorces, but he jokes that he doesn’t want “to be increasing divorce rates.”
NICK PROCAYLO Joshua Browder, a Stanford University student who spoke at this week’s Innovate Now Canada conference, created a lawyer chatbot called DoNotPay. He says his next project is to provide documents for divorces, but he jokes that he doesn’t want “to be increasing divorce rates.”

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