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Russia using disinfo, not meddling: Blair

PUBLIC SAFETY MINISTER NOT CONVINCED BY CSIS INTEL ON INTERFEREN­CE FROM CHINA

- CHRISTOPHE­R NARDI AND CATHERINE LÉVESQUE in Ottawa

Public Safety Minister Bill Blair says he's seen no “substantia­l evidence” of a Russian effort to interfere in the 2019 and 2021 federal election outcomes, though the country has tried to influence Canadians' opinions.

“We have observed a fairly concerted effort among a number of hostile actors, including Russia, to engage in disinforma­tion within our society, but not specifical­ly directed at our electoral processes” in 2019 and 2021, Blair told the Public Inquiry into Foreign Interferen­ce Wednesday.

“In either election, I'm not aware of any activity by Russia through their disinforma­tion campaigns to influence the outcome of that election. They were influencin­g other types of public opinion, but I did not see evidence of it directed towards the outcome of our 2019 or 2021 elections.”

On Wednesday, cabinet ministers Karina Gould, Bill Blair and Dominic Leblanc as well as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau were slated to testify during the final full day of public hearings on what the government knew and didn't know about foreign interferen­ce during the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.

During his testimony, Blair said he was made aware by the Canadian Security and Intelligen­ce Service (CSIS) about alleged “irregulari­ties” in the Liberal nomination race for the Don Valley North riding leading up to the 2019 election after candidate Han Dong was chosen by members.

CSIS suspected Chinese government officials may have been behind a group of Chinese students being bused in on nomination vote day to support Dong.

But Blair said he remained unconvince­d by the service's intelligen­ce after the briefing.

“Minister Blair was not concerned about the intelligen­ce at the time because (1) it was not firmly substantia­ted; (2) it did not suggest MP Dong was aware of the irregulari­ties; and (3) it did not suggest that the Don Valley North election results had been compromise­d,” reads a summary of a Feb. 21 interview between commission counsel and Blair.

Testifying Wednesday morning, Gould — formerly the minister responsibl­e for protecting Canada's democratic institutio­ns — said she was never briefed during or after the 2019 federal election on allegation­s of foreign interferen­ce in a Liberal nomination race that year.

She told the inquiry that when she was appointed minister of democratic institutio­ns in January 2017, she faced what she called the “Obama Dilemma,” in a reference to debates within the former U.S. president's administra­tion on if they should make a public statement on Russian attempts to influence American elections.

“The very fact of making a public comment can be seen as interferen­ce,” Gould said.

Already in 2017, Gould recalled that Russia and China, as well as India, Pakistan and Iran, were named as “threat actors, with an emphasis being put on Russia's activities,” she said in her pre-interview witness statement presented to the inquiry.

After the 2019 election, Gould was informed that CSIS had observed “lowlevel foreign interferen­ce activities by China, similar to what had been seen in the past.” She said she was not briefed on the alleged irregulari­ties about the Don Valley North nomination process before the election.

But a security brief prepared for Gould dated Oct. 29, 2019, showed that “China remained interested in supporting candidates and individual­s who it perceived would benefit China's overall strategic interests” and that there were “limited specific incidents” that suggested foreign interferen­ce.

One of them was specific to Don Valley North, although Gould told the inquiry she was never told of specific foreign interferen­ce concerns, including in the Toronto riding.

Over two weeks, the inquiry heard from political actors, senior public servants and members of the intelligen­ce community about the alleged foreign interferen­ce that happened in the 2019 and 2021 elections, and how the internal mechanisms put in place by the government responded to them.

A reoccurrin­g event detailed during the inquiry were warnings by CSIS that China may have been behind an initiative to bus Chinese students to vote for Han Dong in the Liberal nomination race in the Toronto riding of Don Valley North in the lead up to the 2019 election.

Witnesses described a bureaucrat­ic and complex process for the flow of informatio­n emerging from Canada's spy agency on possible threats to elections to the task force meant to monitor the elections, but also between the task force and the campaign directors of political parties.

While senior public servants were quick to suppress a false report about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during the 2019 election, Conservati­ve officials testified they were left to themselves to monitor and combat the misinforma­tion targeting their own party during the 2021 election.

And finally, testimony from Trudeau's inner circle showed the existing tensions between the government and the intelligen­ce community, with many questions left unanswered on what the prime minister knew about instances of foreign interferen­ce in past elections before media leaks.

 ?? SEAN KILPATRICK / THE CANADIAN PRESS ?? Public Safety Minister Bill Blair told the foreign interferen­ce inquiry that “a number of hostile actors” have attempted to “engage in disinforma­tion within our society.”
SEAN KILPATRICK / THE CANADIAN PRESS Public Safety Minister Bill Blair told the foreign interferen­ce inquiry that “a number of hostile actors” have attempted to “engage in disinforma­tion within our society.”

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