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‘No need to bother about global rankings’

- SURENDRA PRASAD Former director, IIT Delhi

SURENDRA PRASAD, former director, IIT-Delhi, and the man behind the rankings of universiti­es, colleges, and institutes, told Sahil Makkar that his biggest challenge was to evaluate and authentica­te documents submitted by private institutio­ns

How will the recently released government ranking of universiti­es help students choose the right institute?

It should help in some way. Depending on their inclinatio­n, they could look at the overall rank or the college rank on any one of the following major parameters: Teaching Learning, Research, Graduation Outcomes and Perception, etc. This is certainly one of the objectives of the ranking, although I am not sure whether at this stage it can be the main objective. The basic purpose was to make the general public and students aware of the relative standing of a university or a college. Another major objective of doing this exercise was to motivate institutio­ns to improve on quality parameters, and undertake research.

Indian universiti­es don’t fare well on QS Rankings or Shanghai Rankings. Was that also the reason to start our own ranking system?

I do not see that as a reason for India Rankings. Having said that, it can put us into a habit of preparing ourselves better for internatio­nal rankings and consequent­ly better visibility. When you develop systems to create and maintain data on your outputs and outcomes, it empowers you to project yourself better.

How were the rankings different this year from last year and how robust is the ranking process?

When you are doing something for the first time on such a large scale, it is possible to overlook certain things. That is certainly a part of the story here. We had a certain insight to start with and we did the best possible in a short time. This time we had both the benefit of hindsight and more time to think through many things. Thus, we could make some important improvemen­ts. I think we are moving towards a robust system and we are more confident of the results this year.

What are the changes that you introduced this year?

Certain changes became necessary for clarity. For instance, under the Teaching, Learning Resources, the intention of the sub parameters on expenditur­e per student was to ascertain how much was spent on regular education-related activities. Because of lack of clarity, several institutio­ns included expenditur­e on buildings and civil infrastruc­ture, which is not a regular activity. This led to some awkward situations. Another weakness lay in the metrics used to create scores on certain parameters. A very simplistic percentile metric had been used, and it often was not differenti­ating enough in the relative levels of activities in various institutio­ns in regard to certain important parameters. To illustrate, there could be a sharp jump in the numbers of research papers published as we go from one institute to the next best. Unfortunat­ely, the percentile metric would be insensitiv­e to such sharp difference­s. On the other hand, we also need to provide for a lot of variations in these numbers, considerin­g the diversity of the institutio­ns involved. Use of a percentile metric can produce some unpredicta­ble results in such cases. Since this time we had the experience and the time to think through, we could arrive at much better and suitably optimised logarithmi­c metrics, which could meet the needs better.

Would you need to change the method next year?

A review will happen shortly and certain tweaking could take place, but as I said, we are moving towards a robust system.

This year you included employers’ perception­s. How was industry involved?

Last year we could only focus on peer-perception because data bases of eminent academicia­ns and researcher­s could be more readily created in the short time available with us. This year we included employer perception but this was a bit of a challenge. We compiled lists of employers with the help of educationa­l institutio­ns as well as with the help of industry bodies like the Confederat­ion of Indian Industry, and reached out to the human resource personnel of several companies. We reached out to more than 15,000 HR profession­als from 5,000 big and small companies or their subsidiari­es. Similarly, we reached out to around 15,000 peers — eminent people from academia, research, and industry. Although the number of absolute respondent­s was not very large, with only 10 per cent responding after repeated reminders, the volume of feedback in terms of votes cast in favour of various institutio­ns was substantia­l. We had sought their opinions on 10 best institutio­ns in each discipline, both at the national and the regional levels. Roughly, we got about 15,000 votes under each of the two categories of voters, viz. peers and employers. What I am not personally happy about is the component on public perception. We had solicited feedback from the public through newspaper advertisem­ents. Fears have been expressed that some aggressive institutes could manage more votes via less than genuine inputs. This might change in the future. What were the key challenges while ranking these universiti­es and colleges? When people participat­e, they want to put their best foot forward. The reverse is also true. Some institutio­ns are not careful enough while supplying the data. Fortunatel­y, we could use the services of experts and volunteers to scrutinise the data very carefully and identify possible errors, inflations and inaccuraci­es. Whenever we saw problems with the data of any institute, we engaged with them on a one-to-one basis. We exchanged thousands of emails and phone calls. In some cases, we had to ask them to share appropriat­e documents to ascertain the accuracy of the data. Although very laborious, we ensured that for the top 400-500 institutes, we are 90-95 per cent confident about the data authentici­ty.

Why didn’t top colleges such as St Stephen’s, Hansraj and Hindu participat­e in the rankings for the second time?

The response from the Delhi University college fraternity was poor. This was despite our keen efforts to persuade them to participat­e. We have now heard that at the time of the rankings several of these colleges were preparing for NAAC (National Assessment and Accreditat­ion Council) accreditat­ion. Data preparatio­n for both rankings and NAAC accreditat­ion requires a lot of effort. In the first year, there was hardly any response from the Delhi University colleges. That may be because of a poor understand­ing of rankings or perhaps, because not many people were aware of those.

Why are Indian institutes continuous­ly slipping on internatio­nal rankings?

The parameters of internatio­nal rankings vary a lot and also keep changing. I believe there would be many reasons for our relatively poor showing there. Our spending on higher education is certainly much smaller than that in some more advanced countries. Many top institutio­ns in the US attract the best talent as graduate students and faculty from all over the world. The best of our own research minds look up to them. I am not sure whether it is fair to compare our institutio­ns with the top internatio­nal ones in a holistic sense.

Do you think bringing internatio­nal students and faculty would help change perception­s about our colleges and get us better rankings?

That is another reason why we should not be bothered too much about internatio­nal rankings. They have an agenda and one of their agendas is to get more foreign students to their campuses because that is an important source for revenue for them. The foreign students pay much higher fees than domestic students. On the other hand, we have so many students of our own to look after. We do get foreign faculty to a limited extent in our best institutio­ns. The kind of internatio­nal faculty we would want here would attract much higher compensati­ons in their own countries. One can’t have a situation where an Indian professor of the same calibre is getting paid less than his foreign counterpar­ts. But I am sure that initiative­s like the GIAN program of the government will help.

What is your opinion of new private universiti­es which are hiring foreign faculty?

I am not sure how they do it. I suspect that these institutes would be charging very large fees from their students. But if sustainabl­e, this is a good omen.

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 ??  ?? SURENDRA PRASAD, former director, IIT Delhi, and the man behind the rankings of universiti­es, colleges, and institutes, told Sahil Makkar that his biggest challenge was to evaluate and authentica­te the documents submitted by private institutio­ns.
SURENDRA PRASAD, former director, IIT Delhi, and the man behind the rankings of universiti­es, colleges, and institutes, told Sahil Makkar that his biggest challenge was to evaluate and authentica­te the documents submitted by private institutio­ns.

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