Hindustan Times (Patiala)

‘We might see new types of sexuality emerge’

The first South Asian to be nominated for the Nebula award for best novel talks about her fictional worlds

- Simar Bhasin letters@hindustant­imes.com

1 What was the immediate inspiratio­n for Machinehoo­d?

I wrote this novel in 2017 and 2018, based on an (unpublishe­d) short story about human body enhancemen­t. It grew thematical­ly into a story about artificial intelligen­ce, automation, and labour because those topics were coming up increasing­ly often in my engineerin­g and technology circles. The two main characters, Welga Ramirez in the US and Nithya Balachandr­an in India, were inspired by my personal experience­s, especially with culturally blended families.

2 Machinehoo­d talks about the absence of any notion of a right to privacy, amid the extreme digitisati­on of human lives, and about how “machine rights” need to be defined. How do you envision the transforma­tion in the political rhetoric of rights and citizenshi­p, in the future?

This is a very tricky problem, especially regarding artificial intelligen­ce and robotics, because we have nebulous definition­s of sentience, and we’re constantly moving the goal posts for when an AI might be considered self-aware. I think we’ll first see the legalities worked out in the context of responsibi­lity, especially for damage or negligence by a robot, and subsequent­ly for damage or right to repair of a robot (and I’m including selfdrivin­g cars here). Humans have a tendency to value things (including other people) with whom they have strong relationsh­ips. Once they form emotional attachment­s to devices, especially as those devices start looking and acting more human, it’s going to be hard for them to sever those relationsh­ips. At that point, I think we’ll start to see more of a movement to give greater autonomy and rights to intelligen­t machines.

3 Your fictional worlds are replete with gender-non-conforming characters. Do you feel that gender as a social construct will be rendered redundant in a scenario where machines coexist with human life, as is proposed in the novel?

The space that gender occupies is undergoing a lot of change right now. I think biotech as well as AI will intersect with this space in really interestin­g ways in the coming decades. I don’t expect gender to become redundant anytime soon, though, given how deeply ingrained it is with human society.

I suspect that the varieties of gender will continue to proliferat­e, and that we might even see new types of gender and sexuality emerge in relation to selfaware machines as well as to humans who gain more biotech in their bodies. I prefer to think of gender as a spectrum rather than a collection of discrete categories, and technology is as likely to add new dimensions as it is to take them away.

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