Break­ing Bread

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Four am­bas­sadors on the global stage grace our cover and share about their con­nected worlds

Be­yond talking about good diplo­matic re­la­tions, Indonesia Tatler also touches upon the lighter side of life with HE Ju­dit Pach, Am­bas­sador of Hun­gary to Indonesia; HE Kim ChangBeom, Am­bas­sador of the Repub­lic of Korea to Indonesia; HE Tan Hung Seng, Per­ma­nent Rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the Repub­lic of Sin­ga­pore to ASEAN; and HE Moaz­zam Ma­lik, Am­bas­sador of the United King­dom to Indonesia. Edith Emer­alda writes

In which ar­eas are Hun­gary and Indonesia fo­cus­ing their on­go­ing and up­com­ing bi­lat­eral pro­grammes? HE Ju­dit Pach: Hun­gary and Indonesia first es­tab­lished their diplo­matic re­la­tions in 1955, and we have had an ex­cel­lent re­la­tion­ship ever since. Our bi­lat­eral re­la­tion­ship is marked by high-level vis­its, such as Prime Min­is­ter Vik­tor Or­bán’s of­fi­cial visit to Indonesia in 2016, and con­stant in­ter­ac­tions at the min­is­te­rial level.

In terms of eco­nomic co­op­er­a­tion, we share the same vi­sion to de­velop bi­lat­eral trade and in­vest­ments that have made some re­mark­able progress in the past few years—sev­eral Hun­gar­ian flag­ship projects in wa­ter man­age­ment and IT are just a few rapidly de­vel­op­ing busi­ness re­la­tion­ships, among many other fields. We also pay spe­cial at­ten­tion to higher ed­u­ca­tion, with Hun­gary of­fer­ing 50 schol­ar­ships to In­done­sian stu­dents ev­ery year, and there are Hun­gar­i­ans study­ing in Indonesia, too. Ahead, I hope that our bi­lat­eral re­la­tions get even bet­ter based on a solid com­mon com­mit­ment of mu­tual trust and mu­tual in­ter­est.

In your opin­ion, what can Indonesia learn from your coun­try and vice versa? JP: Most Euro­peans who come to Indonesia have a hard time cop­ing with the cul­tural dif­fer­ences, but I don’t think that you should change in any way. This is how Indonesia is and this is how we love it. How­ever, I think we could learn some pa­tience and cheer­ful­ness from you.

What are the things to do and places to visit in Hun­gary? JP: As the Am­bas­sador of Hun­gary, I ob­vi­ously speak for my coun­try, but I can tell you why Hun­gary is one of the best destinations nowa­days: it’s beau­ti­ful, it’s rich in cul­ture, and it’s af­ford­able. The main at­trac­tion is our cap­i­tal, Bu­dapest, with its mar­velous ar­chi­tec­tural land­marks, ur­ban at­mos­phere, and vi­brant nightlife, but the coun­try­side is also filled with nat­u­ral beauty and cul­tural her­itage.

De­li­ciously spicy Hun­gar­ian foods and ex­cel­lent Hun­gar­ian wines al­ways make our guests happy. Mean­while, our ther­mal baths are some of the world’s finest and we have Cen­tral Europe’s largest lake, Bala­ton, all sup­ported by world-class tourism in­fra­struc­ture and Hun­gar­ian hos­pi­tal­ity. The cul­ture is rich and steeped in tra­di­tion, folk arts, and age-old crafts that are still pro­duced to this day—the many thou­sands of In­done­sians who visit Hun­gary ev­ery year would surely agree with me.

What do you like about stay­ing in Indonesia?

JP: Since my very first day in Indonesia, I have been impressed by the friend­li­ness and po­lite­ness of In­done­sians. I also like the di­ver­sity of In­done­sian cul­ture and ad­mire the deep cul­tural roots of my In­done­sian friends. The food is just as di­verse as the cul­ture, and some of the lo­cal dishes, like tempe or gado-gado, are my favourites and per­fectly com­ple­ment my ve­gan diet. I come from a Cen­tral Euro­pean coun­try, so I en­joy the pleas­ant climate, the end­less sun­shine, and the beau­ti­ful nat­u­ral environment.

What do you do dur­ing your spare time?

JP: Al­though a life­time doesn’t seem to be enough, I try to ex­plore Indonesia as much as I can, es­pe­cially the more re­mote ar­eas. I love to es­cape from the city and travel around the coun­try where I can see the won­der­ful and un­touched na­ture of Indonesia. Be­sides that, read­ing is an­other hobby of mine, and my daily yoga helps me to stay bal­anced.

Within ASEAN, where are the fo­cus ar­eas to­day and in the fu­ture? HE Tan Hung Seng: ASEAN has thrived in its 50th year with 10 mem­ber states main­tain­ing a piv­otal role in re­gional peace and se­cu­rity by pro­mot­ing the 4 “Cs”: co­he­sion, cred­i­bil­ity, cen­tral­ity, and con­nec­tiv­ity. As ASEAN chair­man for 2018, Sin­ga­pore chose re­silience and in­no­va­tion as the themes to an­chor our term. The point is to fu­ture-proof ASEAN to face the changes brought on by an ever-evolv­ing geo-strate­gic environment. In terms of re­silience, Sin­ga­pore is pro­mot­ing greater co­op­er­a­tion among mem­bers to tackle threats such as ter­ror­ism, cy­ber-threats, and nat­u­ral dis­as­ters. By fo­cus­ing on in­no­va­tion, my coun­try hopes to catal­yse ASEAN to strate­gi­cally re­spond to the dig­i­tal rev­o­lu­tion.

In your opin­ion, what can Indonesia and other ASEAN coun­tries learn from each other? THS: Since ASEAN’S in­cep­tion in 1967, Indonesia has and will con­tinue to play an im­por­tant role as the largest econ­omy within the re­gion with more than a third of its pop­u­la­tion. More­over, ASEAN has suc­ceeded be­cause all 10 mem­ber states recog­nise that we are bet­ter off to­gether. As a highly di­verse group, col­lab­o­ra­tion does not come eas­ily or nat­u­rally to ASEAN, which is why var­i­ous meet­ings each year en­able mem­bers to un­der­stand each other bet­ter and to de­velop a cul­ture of co­op­er­a­tion.

The ASEAN Smart Cities Net­work (ASCN) of 26 pioneer cities is a good ex­am­ple of how each mem­ber can bring its own ex­pe­ri­ences, ex­per­tise, and value to link up with each other. Indonesia, with its four of the re­gion’s seven uni­corns, has ex­celled and will be help­ful to other states in terms of techno­preneur­ship. Sin­ga­pore’s Fi­nance Min­is­ter Heng Swee Keat once aptly likened the re­gion to a hawker cen­tre where stall own­ers co­op­er­ate and com­pete, yet each of­fers some­thing spe­cial that makes the whole place a lot more at­trac­tive.

What are the things to do and places to visit in Sin­ga­pore? THS: For In­done­sians, Sin­ga­pore of­fers a unique propo­si­tion as a des­ti­na­tion of fa­mil­iar­ity and com­fort that is less than one-anda-half hours away. It also pro­vides the con­ve­niences of a small city-state with com­pact and di­verse of­fer­ings that we work hard on rein­vent­ing and de­vel­op­ing for you to have nov­elty with each visit. As the ASEAN chair, Sin­ga­pore will host this year’s edi­tion of the Best of ASEAN Per­form­ing Arts in Novem­ber to show­case the re­gion’s mu­sic tal­ents. Then there’s the sev­enth Sin­ga­pore Art Week in Jan­uary 2019, a nine-day cel­e­bra­tion of the vis­ual arts that will take place across Sin­ga­pore’s art spa­ces.

What do you like about stay­ing in Indonesia and what will you miss about it now that you are about to move post? THS: My fam­ily and I have thor­oughly en­joyed our five years of liv­ing in Jakarta be­cause of its vi­brancy and ex­cite­ment. We have also en­joyed Bali and To­raja, Boro­bo­dur and Pram­banan, and the Ko­modo Is­land and Bu­naken. I will also miss the ex­cel­lent golfing ex­pe­ri­ence in Jakarta be­cause the mild weather and beau­ti­ful golf cour­ses in Sen­tul and Bo­gor are eas­ily accessible. Last but not least, we will al­ways re­mem­ber the warmth and good hu­mour of In­done­sians who make us feel wel­come wher­ever we go.

What do you do dur­ing your spare time?

THS: I am in­ter­ested in South­east Asian art, and Jakarta has many gal­leries, auc­tion houses, and pri­vate col­lec­tions that give me the chance to ex­pand my hori­zons and en­rich my grasp of the In­done­sian arts. I swim reg­u­larly and spend time with my fam­ily, es­pe­cially my two daugh­ters who are grow­ing up too quickly.

In which ar­eas are the Repub­lic of Korea and Indonesia fo­cus­ing their on­go­ing and up­com­ing bi­lat­eral pro­grammes? HE Kim Chang-beom: There are so many on­go­ing ac­tiv­i­ties and plans at the mo­ment to ex­pand bi­lat­eral co­op­er­a­tion be­tween Korea and Indonesia be­cause we are not just or­di­nary part­ners but “Spe­cial Strate­gic Part­ners”, which means our re­la­tions cover a broad range of co­op­er­a­tion from pol­i­tics to se­cu­rity, eco­nomic fac­tors, and many oth­ers.

I just came here in Fe­bru­ary, and al­ready met with sev­eral min­is­ters to dis­cuss eco­nomic and trade co­op­er­a­tion, with the In­done­sian Cham­ber of Com­merce (KADIN) lead­ers, with rep­re­sen­ta­tives of South Korean and In­done­sian com­pa­nies, and with Korean schol­ars keen on strength­en­ing ties with In­done­sian academia. The high­light was Pres­i­dent Joko Wi­dodo and First Lady Iri­ana’s state visit to Seoul, Korea, this Septem­ber. Pres­i­dent Jokowi were warmly wel­comed with a va­ri­ety of sub­stan­tial bi­lat­eral projects agreed by the two gov­ern­ments, in­clud­ing in­fra­struc­ture, health and life­style sec­tors, and dig­i­tal econ­omy.

In your opin­ion, what can Indonesia learn from South Korea and vice versa? KC-B: We have en­joyed strong diplo­matic re­la­tions since 1963 based on mu­tual trust and shared val­ues, and sim­i­lar his­to­ries of pur­su­ing eco­nomic growth and ma­tur­ing democ­racy. Both our peo­ples have made re­mark­able pro­gresses in all these ar­eas over the years. So, the ques­tion should be: what could we do to­gether?

We can be part­ners and friends in bring­ing steady pros­per­ity for our peo­ple. In Novem­ber 2017, dur­ing the sum­mit be­tween Pres­i­dent Jokowi and Pres­i­dent Moon Jae-in, we agreed to ex­pand trade and to pro­mote peo­ple-cen­tred economies and in­clu­sive growth. Many com­mon el­e­ments in our re­spec­tive for­eign poli­cies also point to a brighter fu­ture in our part­ner­ship.

What are the things to do and places to visit in South Korea? KC-B: I am happy to see about a 12 per cent growth in In­done­sian tourists vis­it­ing Korea in the first half of 2018. Korea has many things to of­fer for everyone in any gen­er­a­tion be­cause it’s a coun­try in which tra­di­tion and moder­nity co­ex­ist in har­mony. It’s a cra­dle of high tech­nol­ogy and cool elec­tronic gad­gets, and the birth­place of glam­orous K-pop and fash­ion, yet also at­taches a lot of im­por­tance to pre­serv­ing tra­di­tional val­ues and cul­tures from cui­sine to art, and much more. Many sim­i­lar­i­ties ex­ist be­tween our tra­di­tional cul­tures that will make travel to South Korea a com­fort­able and mem­o­rable ex­pe­ri­ence.

What do you like about stay­ing in Indonesia?

KC-B: My wife and I fell in love with Indonesia and its peo­ple, which is why we re­turned to our “se­cond home” af­ter the 13 years since I was first posted at the Korean Em­bassy in Jakarta in 2003. I am al­ways greeted with sweet smiles, a warm-hearted wel­come, and the hos­pi­tal­ity of In­done­sians—great as­sets that you should be proud of. We are also impressed by the great, wild na­ture and po­ten­tial for eco-tourism in Indonesia from North Su­ma­tra to Kal­i­man­tan when we vis­ited the na­tional parks and watched rare trop­i­cal birds and orang­utan fam­i­lies.

What do you do dur­ing your spare time?

KC-B: My wife and I are try­ing to spend as much time as pos­si­ble vis­it­ing gal­leries and art ex­hi­bi­tions, and we also play golf to­gether with friends, and with mem­bers of JAGA (Jakarta Am­bas­sadors Golf As­so­ci­a­tion).

In which ar­eas are the United King­dom and Indonesia fo­cus­ing their on­go­ing and up­com­ing bi­lat­eral pro­grammes? HE Moaz­zam Ma­lik: Be­sides hun­dreds of years of shared his­tory, the UK and Indonesia are cel­e­brat­ing 70 years of diplo­matic re­la­tions next year to mark our wide-rang­ing part­ner­ship. Even in the span of four years un­der Pres­i­dent Joko Wi­dodo, a to­tal of eight mem­o­ran­dums of un­der­stand­ing have been signed with the lat­est fo­cus­ing on cy­ber se­cu­rity—the UK is the first coun­try to have signed such an MOU with Indonesia.

Trade and in­vest­ment sit at the heart of our re­la­tion­ship with many Bri­tish busi­nesses present here and a grow­ing num­ber of of In­done­sian in­vestors in the UK. We also work to­gether on many other ar­eas from polic­ing to space ac­tiv­ity, to sports, which re­sulted in col­lab­o­ra­tion at the Asian Games 2018, and so on.

In your opin­ion, what can Indonesia learn from the UK and vice versa? MM: As the UK grows more di­verse, we can learn about di­ver­sity from Indonesia. Most coun­tries are ho­moge­nous with their pop­u­la­tions more or less the same; in the mod­ern world, as peo­ple eas­ily move around and mi­grate, we are learn­ing to live with a grow­ing di­ver­sity. Indonesia, how­ever, was born di­verse with many dif­fer­ent cul­tures united in one coun­try. To get the story of Indonesia bet­ter known in the UK and to get Bri­tishMus­lim and In­done­sian-mus­lim com­mu­ni­ties talking to each other are im­por­tant themes of my work here.

Indonesia has the po­ten­tial to be an ex­am­ple to oth­ers as a plu­ral, eco­nom­i­cally dy­namic, and demo­cratic coun­try in the global, mod­ern age. The UK, in turn, is a very or­gan­ised coun­try with strong rule of law, free and open press, a thriv­ing demo­cratic sys­tem, and a very strong com­mit­ment to in­ter­na­tion­al­ism and mul­ti­cul­tur­al­ism. We can work to­gether to show that democ­racy, ope­ness and mul­ti­lat­er­al­ism deliver good out­comes for all peo­ple.

What are the things to do and places to visit in the UK? MM: We are a di­verse coun­try that has many dif­fer­ent things to show the world as proven by Lon­don’s rank as the sec­ond­most-vis­ited city, in terms of international ar­rivals, with its great his­tory, cul­ture, art, food, and more. Out­side of the cap­i­tal, you can go to Ox­ford for its her­itage build­ings; to the north of Eng­land for scenic coun­try­side in the York­shire Dales; to Scot­land for its High­lands; in Wales, there’s Pem­brokeshire; and North­ern Ire­land is made fa­mous thanks to Game of Thrones. As such, the num­ber of In­done­sians go­ing to the UK is in­creas­ing each year by about 25 per cent.

What do you like about stay­ing in Indonesia?

MM: I love the smiles and friend­li­ness of the peo­ple here, plus the weather is warm and the cul­ture is mar­velous. Jog­jakarta, for ex­am­ple, I love it as the heart of Ja­vanese cul­ture and also as a melt­ing pot and an ed­u­ca­tional cap­i­tal. Other places I’ve en­joyed in­clude Flores, Lom­bok, Manado, Ter­nate, and Halma­hera with their beau­ti­ful na­ture and wildlife—a very ex­cit­ing, mod­ern, di­verse, and ro­bust coun­try in sum­mary.

What do you do dur­ing your spare time?

MM: I lis­ten to a lot of mu­sic from many gen­res, read many nov­els, go to the cin­e­mas of­ten, love to play ten­nis, en­joy walk­ing around Jakarta, and I am a big fan of Liver­pool FC.

Pho­tog­ra­phy: robin al­fian and heri b heryanto Make-up: Arie irawan Stylist: Dhani Agus­tia

HE Tan Hung Seng Per­ma­nent Rep­re­sen­ta­tive of the Repub­lic of Sin­ga­pore to ASEAN

HE Moaz­zam Ma­lik Am­bas­sador of the United King­dom to Indonesia

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