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TRANSCRIPT OF DENHAM GRILLING

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The following is part of the transcript between Justice Susan Denham and Judge Séamus Woulfe, into his attendance at the golf outing in Galway – and whether he should have attended

JUSTICE DENHAM: ‘Did you consider phoning the Chief [Justice], or any other member of the Court to seek guidance in relation to the dinner?’

MR. JUSTICE WOULFE: ‘Ah, no. I think that would have been ridiculous, with respect,

Having, inter alia, pointed to the reassuranc­es he, Judge Woulfe, had received from experience­d people in the hotel trade, and the Government policy and the economic imperative of hotels getting business, the reviewer asked Judge Woulfe what the position was for a judge.

JUSTICE DENHAM: ‘And what about as a judge?’

JUDGE WOULFE: ‘Same as a judge. In this sense you’re an ordinary citizen going to a social and recreation­al event.’

JUSTICE DENHAM: ‘Well, are you an ordinary citizen…?’

JUDGE WOULFE: ‘Because of the nature of the event, I think you are.’

Later the reviewer posed other questions.

JUSTICE DENHAM: ‘Do you accept that your presence at the dinner may have created a public controvers­y which could have adversely affected the Supreme Court?’

JUDGE WOULFE: ‘OK, that’s a difficult question. In one sense, I suppose that is so, that for the media to also have the chance to bring down a judge as an extra fuel to the fire and it did add to the

Judge, I really do. You know, I don’t think an adult person on holidays in that kind of sense would go bothering the Chief Justice at that stage. Particular­ly there was nothing to spark off bother, in my mind, that there was any question going back to him.’

controvers­y that I was there…’

JUSTICE DENHAM: ‘I think so, do you accept the context – and the context is the pandemic, where we have six months of not going to Christenin­gs, not holding weddings, not being able to go to your family’s funerals.’

JUDGE WOULFE: ‘Of course.’

JUSTICE DENHAM: ‘And pent-up tension in the country?’

JUDGE WOULFE: ‘Of course. This was a very unfortunat­e set of circumstan­ces and unfortunat­e timing. And for those people to be presented by the media with what appeared to be a flagrant breach of the regulation­s and the guidelines was like letting off a bomb.’

THE REPORT NOTES: ‘In all the circumstan­ces, the reviewer is of the opinion that there was cogent evidence that, apart from considerin­g whether the dinner was in compliance with the Covid-19 regulation­s and guidelines and the separation-of-powers issue, Mr Justice Woulfe did not seek advice on or consider whether it was appropriat­e for a member of the Supreme Court to attend the dinner.’

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