Sunday Independent (Ireland)

‘THERE ARE COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT ISSUES THAT MANY WOMEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH’

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ON REPEALING THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT

Well, it’s a highly emotive issue and there are a lot of Irish women who have had to travel abroad to deal with crisis pregnancie­s so you can understand why, well actually on both sides of the argument, the very, very intense feelings and when you mix intense feelings with politics, they tend to get very emotive language, protests, marches; that’s how politics works now.

I was getting a burger at midnight the other night and I got almost verbally attacked by someone for 20 minutes who had a very, very conservati­ve view in relation to pregnancy and abortion and unborn life. That’s the other side of it. People who feel that they’re ostracised and aren’t represente­d by government because they have conservati­ve views.

I think most people are somewhere in the middle: they’re looking for a way of dealing in a more compassion­ate way with often very complex pregnancie­s but I think there’s also a strong view in Ireland that the State does have a responsibi­lity to protect an unborn child and they want that in the Constituti­on, while at the same time recognisin­g that there are extraordin­arily complex and difficult issues that many women find themselves having to deal with through no fault of their own, with very complex pregnancie­s that threaten their health and their life and obviously the lives of their children.

I’ve always taken some of the human rights approach to it as I try to categorise in my mind what needs to be considered as a policy-maker. I do think the State has a responsibi­lity to protect the unborn child but I also think the state has responsibi­lities towards women who find themselves in often very, very difficult and traumatic circumstan­ces.

ON THE TUAM MOTHER AND BABY HOME

This is shining a spotlight on a time many people have closed the door on. They don’t want to open it again, just because it brings back awful memories. I think it also exposes an Ireland that none of us are very proud of.

Sometimes the best way of dealing with awfulness in the past is to tell the truth in a way that’s sensitive and dignified and I also think in some ways will allow some people to move on.

ON VOTE HARVESTING

A lot of politician­s focus on vote harvesting all the time, that’s all they do. You’ve got to go to a match to be seen there because that’s where you can look for votes. You’ve got to go to a funeral to be seen.

ON GOVERNMENT INTERVENTI­ON IN THE FREE MARKET IN GENERAL

I think that sometimes the State does both justify and need interventi­on because I think the free market is a great place if you’ve got plenty of money or if you know how to play that market, but it’s a very, very cruel place if you’re somebody who is vulnerable and doesn’t have the capacity to survive.

ON ENDA KENNY TRIGGERING A LEADERSHIP RACE

I don’t think on the day he returns he is going to trigger it, but I am very comfortabl­e with trusting his judgment. He has said he won’t lead FG into the election. More recently he said that when he comes back after the St Patrick’s Day trip he will put a process in place that will manage an orderly transition.

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