NZ Rugby World
You’ve had many highs and lows as a coach. How did you cope with those experiences?
I sometimes feel for coaches – I'm not a coach at this moment – but if you look at the World Cup in 2015, we played against the best All Blacks team ever in the semi-final and we lost by only two points, and against Japan by two points.
So that was the difference, otherwise I would probably be a hero in South Africa today! And there are so many small differences – there are so many things you can look at in the game: forward passes, knock-ons, the little things that can go either way but sometimes just don't go your way.
But I'm still proud of the way we fought back. Look at Ian Foster, one week the All Blacks recorded the biggest winning margin against Australia in their history, but then they lost against Argentina and Australia, and he was crucified.
That’s coaching, though, it keeps you humble, it keeps you fighting.
And that's why I believe in the book … You get scrutinised by the public and the media but if you really love people and what you do, you will be successful in it. That's what I want to put out there to people.