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Trump says he is looking forward to testifying under oath

- Roberta Rampton and Warren Strobel in Washington — Reuters

President Donald Trump says he is willing to be interviewe­d under oath by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigat­ing Russian meddling in the 2016 US election.

“I’m looking forward to it, actually,” Trump, speaking to reporters at the White House, said of an interview with Mueller, a former FBI Director. “I would do it under oath.”

Although Trump has pledged cooperatio­n with Mueller’s probe before, Trump made his assertion as the White House and allies in Congress have stepped up attacks on the investigat­ion’s credibilit­y and Trump himself has hedged on whether he would answer questions.

Trump’s lawyers have been talking to Mueller’s team about an interview, according to sources with knowledge of the investigat­ion.

“I would like to do it as soon as possible,” Trump said.

Trump, however, said that setting a date for an interview would be “subject to my lawyers and all of that”. Asked whether he thought Mueller would treat him fairly, Trump replied, “We’re going to find out.”

Ty Cobb, the lawyer in charge of the White House response to Mueller’s probe, said Trump was speaking hurriedly and intended only to say that he was willing to meet with the special counsel’s team, the New York Times reported.

“He’s ready to meet with them, but he’ll be guided by the advice of his personal counsel,” the newspaper quoted Cobb as saying. Cobb said that Mueller’s team and Trump’s personal lawyers were working out the arrangemen­ts for a meeting.

Sources earlier in the day said that senior US intelligen­ce officers including CIA Director Mike Pompeo have been questioned by the special counsel’s team about whether Trump tried to obstruct justice in the Russia probe.

Such questionin­g is further indication that Mueller’s criminal investigat­ion into purported Russian interferen­ce in the election and potential collusion by Trump’s campaign includes examining the President’s actions around the probe.

In his remarks to reporters, Trump repeated past statements that there was no collusion between the campaign and Russia and “there’s no obstructio­n whatsoever”.

The Kremlin has denied conclusion­s by US intelligen­ce agencies that Russia interfered in the election campaign using hacking and propaganda to try to tilt the race in Trump’s favour.

Trump yesterday denied a Washington Post report that last year he had asked then-acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe whom he had voted for in 2016, which reportedly left McCabe concerned about civil servants being interrogat­ed about their political leanings.

“I don’t think so. I don’t think I did. I don’t know what’s the big deal with that, because I would ask you,” Trump said to reporters.

In interviews last year with Pompeo, director of National Intelligen­ce Dan Coats and National Security Agency director Admiral Mike Rogers, the sources said Mueller’s team focused on whether Trump had asked them to lean on James Comey, the FBI director until Trump fired him in May.

Comey said Trump dismissed him to try to undermine the agency’s Russia investigat­ion. His firing led to Mueller’s appointmen­t to take over the FBI probe and is central to whether Trump may have committed obstructio­n of justice.

Mueller also asked the officials if Trump tried to shut down intelligen­ce investigat­ions into Russian election meddling and into contacts between Russian officials connected with President Vladimir Putin’s Government and associates of Trump or his campaign, the sources said.

Representa­tives for the CIA declined to comment on whether Pompeo had been interviewe­d.

More than 20 White House personnel have voluntaril­y given interviews to Mueller’s team, Fox News reported.

It is unusual for FBI interviews to be conducted under oath, but even if Trump is not interviewe­d by Mueller’s team under oath, it would still be a crime for him to lie to federal agents, said Andrew Wright, a professor at Savannah Law School who was an associate counsel to Barack Obama when he was President.

That is the charge to which former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and former Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoul­os have both pleaded guilty.

An oath would be administer­ed if Mueller issues a subpoena for Trump to testify before a grand jury as opposed to a private interview, Wright said.

In 1998, charges that thenPresid­ent Bill Clinton lied under oath to a federal grand jury about his affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky led to his impeachmen­t by the House of Representa­tives. Clinton was acquitted.

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