The Post

Former spy boss warns of Chinese interferen­ce

-

Former ASIO boss Duncan Lewis has said the Chinese government is seeking to ‘‘take over’’ Australia’s political system through its ‘‘insidious’’ foreign interferen­ce operations.

Any person in political office was a potential target, he said, with the full impact perhaps not apparent for decades.

In the only interview Lewis has given since retiring in September, he also urged Australia’s Chinese community to help security agencies in the same way local

Muslim communitie­s identified threats of terrorist activity.

Asked what the Chinese government wanted from Australia, Lewis said: ‘‘They are trying to place themselves in a position of advantage.’’

As well as targeting politician­s, Chinese authoritie­s were working to win influence in social, business and media circles, he said.

‘‘Espionage and foreign interferen­ce is insidious. Its effects might not present for decades and by that time it’s too late. You wake up one day and find decisions made in our country that are not in the interests of our country,’’ Lewis said.

‘‘Not only in politics but also in the community or in business. It takes over, basically, pulling the strings from offshore.’’

Lewis was the director-general of security for five years as head of ASIO, the intelligen­ce agency whose primary job is to guard against foreign interferen­ce.

He did not single out China during his term in office. When he spoke of malign state actors posing an ‘‘existentia­l’’ threat to Australia, it was a generic reference to foreign government­s. But in the postretire­ment interview, he said while it was not only China that preoccupie­d the Australian authoritie­s, it was ‘‘overwhelmi­ngly’’ China.

Covert foreign intrusion into the heart of Australian politics was ‘‘something we need to be very, very careful about’’, he said in the interview for the forthcomin­g Quarterly Essay, Red Flag: Waking up to China’s challenge, to be published on Monday.

‘‘One spectacula­r case in NSW was Sam Dastyari.

‘‘It’s quite clear to me that any person in political office is potentiall­y a target. I’m not trying to create paranoia, but there does need to be a level of sensible awareness.

‘‘When people talked about [how to define foreign interferen­ce in] our political system, I used to get the comment, ‘We will know it if we see it’. But not necessaril­y. Not if it’s being done properly. There would be some I don’t know about.’’

Former Labor senator Sam Dastyari quit Parliament in 2017 after a series of revelation­s about his links to Chinese Communist Party-aligned interests in Australia.

Lewis, formerly Australia’s inaugural national security adviser and one-time head of Australia’s Special Forces as well as a previous ambassador to Belgium and Nato and secretary of the Defence Department, said the political funding system was especially vulnerable and called for its reform.

‘‘I do worry about the issue of financing political parties,’’ he said. ‘‘We need a mechanism that maintains parties free of foreign influence.’’

The Turnbull government, with Labor’s support, passed laws against foreign interferen­ce in 2018. Then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull named Russia and North Korea when he introduced the bills to parliament, but hinted clearly at the primary threat: ‘‘Media reports have suggested that the Chinese Communist Party has been working to covertly interfere with our media, our universiti­es and even the decisions of elected representa­tives right here in this building. We take these reports very seriously.’’

Beijing maintains that it does not spy or intrude on Australia. Even after a Chinese diplomat, Chen Yonglin, defected to Australia in 2005 and warned of the Chinese government’s infiltrati­on strategy, the Chinese authoritie­s insisted such claims were baseless and malicious.

After he defected from his post as first secretary for political affairs in China’s consulate-general in Sydney, Chen wrote that ‘‘the Communist Party of China had begun a structured effort to infiltrate Australia

‘‘Espionage and foreign interferen­ce is insidious. Its effects might not present for decades and by that time it’s too late. You wake up one day and find decisions made in our country that are not in the interests of our country.’’

Duncan Lewis, former ASIO boss

in a systematic way’’.

Lewis said Australia’s first line of defence was the community: ‘‘We need a more prepared community but we have a way to go yet. ASIO can’t do it by itself.

‘‘ASIO is very dependent on the community to be alert, but not paranoid.’’

He said the help of the community was essential in defeating terrorism in Australia. The Muslim community, in particular, supplied invaluable warnings to the police and ASIO and was indispensa­ble to public safety.

‘‘The Chinese-Australian community could and should be as vital in the work against foreign covert influence’’, he said, including against Beijing’s United Front and political corruption.

The United Front Work Department is an agency of the Chinese government that seeks covertly to extend Beijing’s control through organising the Chinese diaspora abroad.

Chinese President Xi Jinping has described it as one of the three ‘‘magic weapons’’ of the Chinese Communist Party, together with the People’s Liberation Army and party-building activities.

 ??  ??
 ??  ??

Newspapers in English

Newspapers from New Zealand