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- Henry Cooke henry.cooke@stuff.co.nz

‘‘The reality is that this thing isn’t going away, and it’s hard.’’

Jacinda Ardern

Prime Minister

There won’t be a magic number. Jacinda Ardern is happy to crow about hitting 2 million doses of the Covid-19 vaccine as she sits down for a long interview with Stuff on Wednesday evening.

But she’s also clear that she won’t be able to point to some milestone like Scott Morrison is in Australia, some percentage of the population vaccinated or number of doses in arms, and say: That’s it, no more lockdowns, open the borders.

‘‘Just a number oversimpli­fies things. And I don’t expect that is going to change,’’ Ardern says.

This year is a ‘grind’

Sipping a gumboot tea as the evening light starts to fade, two days after the first badish poll for Labour in over a year, Ardern admits 2021 is turning into a bit of a grind.

‘‘This is a hard year. I pick up and often feel the same thing that our voters feel. You get a sense that there’s a grind to things at the moment for people,’’ Ardern says.

‘‘That’s the beauty of being a politician in a small country – you don’t have to go far to be able to get a sense of things without having to rely on a poll.’’

She puts this down to both a grim global outlook and the impact her Government’s border restrictio­ns are having on everyday life.

‘‘It’s totally natural as humans that you look for light at the end of the tunnel,’’ she says.

‘‘But we’re in the middle of a pandemic, where even when you get the light of a vaccine you still see a massive toll in countries that you think have done a pretty good job.

‘‘Looking over to Australia, rather than feeling lucky that you’re not in that position, it’s the same feeling as living on a street where your house is fine but your neighbour’s is on fire.

‘‘The reality is that this thing isn’t going away, and it’s hard.

‘‘It’s hard for businesses who need people, and it’s hard for people who want to see their family and friends.’’

But despite her trademark empathy, the prime minister does not appear to be preparing a nice clean path out of the pandemic to present at her big speech about the second half of the ‘‘year of the vaccine’’ on Thursday.

There will be no aforementi­oned magic number, she says. Because Covid-19 is

changing too much for that kind of certainty.

‘‘If everything were stable and you had certainty about the way Covid-19 was going to behave – then there is a certain level of decisions that you might be able to make.

‘‘But Covid isn’t stable or certain, and I think that we are still in a bit of an experiment­al stage globally, where variants that could demonstrat­e vaccine resistance could emerge.’’

This caution about the changeable notion of Covid-19 also makes Ardern unwilling to seriously consider allowing Covid-19 to run loose in the community once a high proportion are vaccinated, as Boris Johnson is in the United Kingdom.

At the same time, she doesn’t think it’s a simple choice between opening fully up and standing still with the current heavy restrictio­ns in place.

‘‘So what is the path that we can choose that factors in a changeable virus but still keeps making progress for us? Because I don’t think it’s a zero-sum game. When we are vaccinated we can still keep all the

positives while removing some of the negatives. That’s the path I’m looking for.’’

Vaccinatio­n more about ending lockdowns than opening borders

Ardern keeps telling the country that high vaccinatio­n rates create ‘‘options’’ – without spelling out what they are.

She told Stuff a large part of it was just the option of saying goodbye to lockdowns, before border controls are considered.

‘‘When you have an unvaccinat­ed population, it limits your options – it means you have to use extraordin­ary tools like lockdowns in order to protect people,’’ Ardern says.

‘‘I ask people: If you had a choice, what would you want to get rid of first – the uncertaint­y of a really heavy level 3 or level 4 lockdown, versus a bit less friction at the border?

‘‘People want to get rid of the idea that at any moment in time a big life event might end up being cancelled because you’re going into a lockdown. That hangs over people. I just think about the

psychologi­cal impact it’s had on Victoria, for instance.’’

She’s also eager to point out that the free and normal life Kiwis are living right now is the source of our economic good fortune, and that even countries such as Canada that are loosening up border controls still have serious rules restrictin­g social gatherings.

‘‘The benefit is there has been an economy that has broadly recovered to preCovid levels, and that is astounding relative to what we’ve seen in other places, and relative to what was predicted. I mean, unemployme­nt at 4 per cent? I celebrated that in a non-Covid period, let alone a Covid period.’’

She’s happy to admit to having asked her officials for advice on things such as vaccinated people isolating at home or getting a shorter stay in managed isolation, but won’t get into her actual thoughts on such measures yet.

‘‘These are the things that we are trying to think about nice and early, even though obviously while we’re unvaccinat­ed that’s not something we would do. These are the kinds of questions that we are asking.’’

No backing down on climate; more to come on housing, trade

The Government had been in rapprochem­ent mode with some of its harshest critics over the week: opening the border to more seasonal workers, and signalling the likely demise of the hated Auckland cycle bridge.

But despite the Groundswel­l NZ-led farmer protests, Ardern says the Government isn’t about to back down on the climate or freshwater policies angering the agricultur­al sector.

‘‘There’s always things that we could do to make implementa­tion easier. I’m not going to shy away from the things I said I would do, though. I’m committed to our climate work, I’m committed to our freshwater work, but I will always listen to how we can do things in a way that eases some of that change.’’

What’s yet to be seen is how her Government would handle the inevitable protest that would happen should agricultur­al emissions lose their exemption in the Emissions Trading Scheme next year.

On other sore spots such as housing, mental health, and immigratio­n, Ardern won’t concede any ground to critiques. She says the full impact of her Government’s housing package from March is yet to be fully rolled out into the economy but hints that there could be more on the supply side, as the big changes to planning rules won’t be in place until 2024.

‘‘We’re exploring what we can do around accelerati­ng housing developmen­t from a planning perspectiv­e – so we aren’t quite finished in that area.’’

But that’s not all the rest of the year has in store. If possible, Ardern wants to get the trade deals with Europe and the UK finished, whether that’s from New Zealand or by travelling over there. ‘‘I have a role to play in helping complete it. I will play it.’’

Even with the pandemic shutting the borders and farmers protesting, it seems one thing does remain certain: New Zealand will have a lot of milk to sell.

 ?? ROBERT KITCHIN/STUFF ?? Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is eager to point out that the free and normal life Kiwis are living right now is the source of the country’s economic good fortune, which is ‘‘astounding relative to what we’ve seen in other places’’.
ROBERT KITCHIN/STUFF Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is eager to point out that the free and normal life Kiwis are living right now is the source of the country’s economic good fortune, which is ‘‘astounding relative to what we’ve seen in other places’’.
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