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Myths and modern realities

Acclaimed New Zealand author Patricia Grace blends mythology and contempora­ry Maori life in her new collection, Bird Child and Other Stories

- — as told to Julia Gessler

What links the stories in Bird Child and Other What do they share?

Stories?

There are three parts to the collection. In part one, the stories connect because they draw on pūrakau, or ancient Māori storytelli­ng. The first story, from which the book gets its title, is inspired by waiata tawhito, whakapapa, oriori and karakia. The remaining pieces are re-imaginings of ancient stories.

Those in part two are based on my own childhood experience­s and are set in the 1940s and 50s, depicting experience­s of a Māori child in both urban and rural environmen­ts.

Part three is made up of contempora­ry stories. There are a wide range of themes. Though the stories within each of the parts are linked, between parts they are not, unless we count authorship, and perhaps, birds.

What was it like revisiting some of your previously published stories for this collection? What kind of change did you see between past Patricia and present-day Patricia?

I enjoyed revisiting earlier stories, could even say I rejoiced in them. If I thought any could do with an edit, I did that — but nothing drastic. As the years pass and times change, more and more themes and ideas present themselves, but I haven’t moved away from the source of where ideas come from, which is, from within — meaning that I have lived the experience forming the base of the story, in some way.

Did looking back at your previous works bring anything different to them, the way that you read or saw them?

Nothing different in how I read or saw them. They are what I could do and where I was at, at the time. Some of this collection is steeped in mythology. What does myth mean to you? How do you think

myth succeeds as a narrative device? Equally, what do you think it affords the storytelle­r, and those receiving that story?

I find the ancient stories both fascinatin­g and inspiring in their range of characters, their forthright­ness, their bold storylines and their language. They hold within them themes for today. I guess that is why they have stood the test of time. Over the centuries these oral histories have been embellishe­d, updated, made to fit the ears, minds, hearts of people of a particular time and place. It is the task of today’s writers to present these in a way that is understand­able and interestin­g to today’s listeners and readers.

You’ve spoken before about how, in your writing, you’re interested in exploring intergener­ational relationsh­ips and the interconne­ctedness of people and their environmen­ts. What do you think is productive as a writer to examine right now?

All of the above, now more than ever. Examinatio­n of past, present and future and our connectedn­ess to this earth, is vital to survival. I believe all good writing needs to be political, or to examine and explain the human condition. In “exploring intergener­ational relationsh­ips and the interconne­ctedness of people and their environmen­ts” we will deepen the connection with each other, and with Papatuanuk­u — the earth from which all things come.

All good art needs to do this, to be the conscience, to show us to ourselves, to shine a light.

By writing about these subjects, do you see part of this collection as being educationa­l, in a way that offers another type of learning?

It’s a difficult question to answer because I don’t really know what readers will take from my stories. I think first and foremost, one wants to tell a good story. One would hope that understand­ings will come from that.

Some of your stories draw on your childhood. Though your stories are fiction, do you think of yourself, in part, as a keeper of histories?

I can’t say I’ve thought about that. But I do think that fiction is as equally important as non-fiction in telling history. It is in fiction that emotional depth and cultural understand­ing of a particular time and place is able to be explored. Imaginatio­n, carefully handled, can reach into both past and future. Oral history and storytelli­ng have an all-important role to play.

As someone who has such a creative family, have you found that other creative forms beyond writing have an influence on your work?

My late husband, besides being an educator, was also a carver, visual artist and designer. My family are all involved artistical­ly, whether that be in visual arts, building, woodworkin­g, design, film, video, theatre, photograph­y, programme design, performanc­e, writing, or as instrument­alists, singers and musicians. I grew up with a brother who was an artist. I’ve had great conversati­ons with [daughter] Briar and really enjoyed my times being “on set” during the making of the film Cousins. I rejoice in the cover of the new book, artwork by granddaugh­ter, Miriama. All of this is inspiratio­nal to me, but also normal.

How do you know when a story is finished? When I find myself overthinki­ng, I chop.

Bird Child and Other Stories (Penguin, $37) is on sale now. For the full interview with Patricia Grace, see nzherald.co.nz

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