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Molefe trades barbs with evidence leader at state capture hearing

- Mawande Amashabala­la

Brian Molefe and state capture inquiry evidence leader Anton Myburgh on Monday traded barbs over the former Eskom and Transnet boss’s acquaintan­ce with the controvers­ial Gupta family and associates.

The Gupta brothers are friends and business associates of former president Jacob Zuma and his businessma­n son Duduzane. They are said to have wielded so much power that they won millions in state tenders and meddled in the appointmen­t of ministers and heads of state-owned enterprise­s (SOEs).

Molefe, one of the SOE leaders alleged to have been influenced by the brothers, appeared before deputy chief justice Raymond Zondo on Monday.

The exchange of words started when Myburgh and Zondo tried to corner Molefe on his version of how he never had sleepless nights on hearing that the Guptas knew of his career advancemen­t in advance.

The commission put it to Molefe that it was too much of a coincidenc­e that the Gupta-owned defunct newspaper, The New Age, knew of his appointmen­t as Eskom CEO months before it happened.

“I would have expected you to be concerned about that,” said Zondo.

Molefe fired the first salvo:

“Maybe unlike you [Zondo] and Mr Myburgh, I am not a good conspiracy theorist.”

Myburgh pressed on: “Mr Molefe, Mr Essa was engaged in corrupt activities using your name. Can you be quoted to be saying that did not concern you?”

Molefe responded: “You say Mr Essa was engaged in corrupt activities using my name. Is that what you [the commission] have found? It is alleged that he was using my name.”

Molefe’s insistence that he was not worried about Gupta prediction­s that turned out to be correct about his career’s upward mobility, prompted Myburgh to say: “Perhaps Mr Molefe, you and I live in different worlds.”

Molefe replied with a sarcastic tone: “Yes, you and I do, Mr Myburgh.”

Myburgh moved his line of questionin­g to issues pertaining to Molefe’s links with the Gupta brothers. The evidence leader was interested in picking Molefe’s memory on the number of occasions he visited the Gupta compound.

“I am going to use your own maths,” said Myburgh. “You say it could have been once a month, twice a month or whatever, and as you say you have lost count because you went there so often, not because you went so little. Correct?”

’COMPLEX SUBJECT’

Molefe responded: “I understand mathematic­s is a complex subject maybe for you, Mr Myburgh, but I said you cannot draw a graph because if you do, you will arrive at the conclusion that I was there last month.”

Molefe could also not remember when he stopped visiting the Gupta residence and could not recall how often he spoke to Ajay, the Gupta brother he was closest to.

Myburgh was not convinced, saying it was not good enough for an “intelligen­t man” like Molefe to forget things that are so important.

Molefe took exception: “Mr Myburgh, it is not necessary to patronise me. Please do not patronise me.

“Chairperso­n, I take exception in Mr Myburgh saying I am an intelligen­t person and so on; that is patronisin­g.”

Molefe will take the stand again on Tuesday. He is expected to continue being quizzed on Transnet-related allegation­s.

YOU SAY MR ESSA WAS ENGAGED IN CORRUPT ACTIVITIES USING MY NAME. IT IS ALLEGED THAT HE WAS USING MY NAME

Brian Molefe Former Esom and Transnet CEO

 ?? /Veli Nhlapo ?? Exchange of words: Former Eskom and Transnet CEO Brian Molefe is being quizzed by the state capture commission on Transnetre­lated allegation­s.
/Veli Nhlapo Exchange of words: Former Eskom and Transnet CEO Brian Molefe is being quizzed by the state capture commission on Transnetre­lated allegation­s.

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