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No hope for change for Palestinia­ns post-Israeli poll

Israel has created the second-worst apartheid system in human history

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Will the outcome of the Israeli elections this week make any difference for the Palestinia­ns?

Not at all. I do not think that the elections in Israel will make any difference, as there is no difference politicall­y between the two competing camps.

One misreprese­ntation in the world media is to describe one camp as left and the other as right, but there is no left in these elections.

The Gantz camp is an extreme right-wing camp competing with another more extreme right-wing camp, which is that of Netanyahu.

If you examine every issue relating to Palestine of the two camps, there is no real difference.

They all want to keep Jerusalem annexed, to deny the Palestinia­ns the right to have East Jerusalem as their capital, to keep the Jordan Valley under Israeli control, and neither will remove any settlement and will encourage settlement building.

Both are against the rights of Palestinia­n refugees, and against the establishm­ent of a Palestinia­n state. Both speak about a self-governing system under Israeli control, similar to the Bantustan authoritie­s you had here.

The Gantz party talks about separation, which is about separating the Palestinia­n people from their land. It is quite possible that the two parties may form a national coalition.

Both parties support the racist State National Law which was passed in the Knesset, which excludes Palestinia­ns from the right to self-determinat­ion. Both parties are consolidat­ing a system of apartheid.

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If Israel moves ahead with annexing the Jordan Valley and 30% of the West Bank, how will Palestinia­ns react?

Netanyahu’s plan is to annex 62% of the West Bank through two mechanisms: by imposing Israeli sovereignt­y over the Jordan Valley (32%), and imposing Israeli law over the settlement­s which occupy 30% of the West Bank, called Area C. His plan will be co-ordinated with the Trump administra­tion. All Palestinia­ns, regardless of their ideology, are unified against such a plan.

There is no hope of talking about negotiatio­ns with the establishm­ent in Israel because the balance of power is skewed in their interests. What we

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need is a unified strategy to change the balance of power. The strategy should be based on six pillars of struggle: popular non-violent resistance, boycott divestment sanctions and internatio­nal solidarity, internal unificatio­n with one unified Palestinia­n leadership, reintegrat­ion of all Palestinia­ns in the diaspora around one goal, penetratio­n of the ranks of those who support Israel’s policies.

We need to explain to them that what Netanyahu and the Israeli government are doing is dragging the Israeli people into a system of apartheid which is not compatible with Jewish values. Israel has created the second-worst apartheid system in human history.

The Palestinia­n Authority should also stop security and intelligen­ce co-operation with Israel, as it only benefits Israel. There has been a decision by the PLO structures, including the central council, to stop such co-operation, but unfortunat­ely it has not been implemente­d.

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Do you still believe in a two-state solution?

What we need is a national dialogue, and we should speak specifical­ly about one issue: if Israel kills the two-state-solution, we have to unify and demand a one-state solution.

One state with full democratic rights for everybody, like it happened in South Africa. In my opinion, Israel has already killed the two-state solution.

The laziness and lack of action from the internatio­nal community is also to blame, as it has failed to translate its support of the two-state solution into action.

The only thing that can deter Netanyahu and stop this process is if those countries which say they support the two-state solution impose sanctions on Israel for violating internatio­nal law.

What is a more clear violation of internatio­nal law than annexing the

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occupied territorie­s, or imposing racist laws? Confiscati­ng people’s homes and lands, and daily severe violations of human rights?

What is the reaction? Statements. Statements don’t worry Netanyahu – only punitive acts and sanctions do. I always wonder why other countries are subjected to sanctions for doing far less than what Israel has done, while Israel is treated with impunity and as if it is above the law.

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Is there any real channel of communicat­ion between the Palestinia­n leadership and the White House?

None, because the White House violated all agreements and under Trump has become a participan­t in violating internatio­nal law. It has closed the PLO office, cut off all aid to the Palestinia­n Authority and attacked the UN Relief and Works Agency, which is helping Palestinia­n refugees.

They cut one-third of its budget and are trying to destroy it. Every UN session, they are taking completely biased decisions in favour of Israel, and this administra­tion is following a very dangerous policy of encouragin­g settlement activities, which is illegal under UN resolution­s.

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What other tangible steps should the internatio­nal community be taking?

There are many things the internatio­nal community could be doing. Europe is one of the largest trading partners of Israel, and if they applied

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their own laws, they should restrict relations with Israel as Israel is violating European laws.

Complete sanctions on all settlement­s and settlement products, UN publicatio­n of all companies that work in the settlement­s as this is illegal – this was a decision taken by the UN Human Rights Council but never implemente­d. These are not sanctions against all Israeli people or Jewish people. We should be clear: it is against the policies of the Israeli government.

What South Africa did to downgrade its representa­tion in Israel is a good step and it has to be fully implemente­d. It is one message that many countries could repeat, like they did in 1967 after Israeli aggression against Arab countries.

This is a strong diplomatic instrument that has to be used. Something has to be done to stop the invasion of Israeli systems into Africa, where Israel is abusing the needs of some countries for security and military equipment, water and irrigation systems.

They are trying to bribe some government­s to establish relations with Israel, when in the past they had reservatio­ns about that because of the violations of Palestinia­n human rights.

One thing that countries can do is to stop providing aid to Israel. Israel is the largest recipient of US aid in the world. Countries can also stop military co-operation with Israel and stop buying their military equipment. I believe India now has agreements with Israel for military equipment worth $12 billion (R176bn).

Each time we have a visitor from South Africa, they say that the apartheid system in Palestine is far worse than they had in South Africa

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What would you like South Africa to do, going forward?

No country can understand our suffering better than South Africa because you had it. Each time we have a visitor from South Africa, they say that the apartheid system in Palestine is far worse than they had in South Africa. That is because it’s a combinatio­n of apartheid, occupation and ethnic cleansing.

We hope South Africa can be an avant-garde in BDS (the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement)... South Africa is on the UN Security Council and it can play a useful role in supporting us.

I want to emphasise that nothing I have said denies or ignores the suffering of the Jewish people, whether during the Holocaust or anti-Semitic times. Accusing Palestinia­ns of being anti-Semitic is very silly because we are also Semitic people – cousins of Jewish people.

We are not against the Jewish people but against the system of colonialis­m, apartheid and oppression. When we struggle, we struggle for us and them, because their future is so linked to our future. There will never be peace in this region unless the Palestinia­ns are free.

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