Sunday Times

So Many Questions

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The Democratic Alliance has chosen Mmusi Maimane above veteran politician Jack Bloom as its candidate for the premiershi­p of Gauteng. Chris Barron asked the DA’s provincial leader, John Moodey . . .

Was Most closely this definitely contested about merit. merit election. or It was colour? I believe a very the college members applied of their the electoral minds and that fore. the best candidate came to the

Best The best from from what all point aspects. of view? Surely experience not from — 25 the years aspect versus of less than Well, two? let’s look at Barack Obama. He and was he became a relatively the president junior senator of the United the amount States. of experience It’s not necessaril­y that makes the next. one It’s candidate about what better than the person has to offer. What to offer? does Maimane have He and Bloom have a lot to offer in terms of experience and being good campaigner­s, the vision they have for the party and how we are to achieve the objective of 2014. Remember, the campaign for 2014 is not just the responsibi­lity of the premier candidate. It will be a team effort. If they both have the same to offer, why not be frank and admit that it came down to colour? No, please don’t try to put words in my mouth. You’re not sensitive about ANC accusation­s that the DA is too white?

No, definitely not. Surely you have to be if you are hoping to attract black votes? We have done our surveys and our research and, yes, the perception in the minds of many voters has been that the DA is a party for white people only . . . Wasn’t choosing Maimane always going to be an effective way of countering that perception? No, it just so happens to be that he is a black person. So the DA’s claim to be an equal opportunit­y party stands? Definitely. Maimane has done excellent work and has had just as much exposure as Jack Bloom. It’s not a matter of who’s the newcomer on the block. But it must be a matter, surely, of who will attract the black vote? There are a whole lot of aspects and you’re trying to pin it all on one aspect, and that is that a person is black. That’s not necessaril­y so. It is a whole host of aspects that he brings. It is not about the colour of the person, it’s about the work he is able to deliver. Isn’t this still a bit of an unknown quantity? Over the past two and a half years that Maimane has been the leader of our caucus in Johannesbu­rg — one of our biggest caucuses — and also as our national spokespers­on, he has proved to most of the members on that electoral college that he has what it takes. And his election is based on this, not the colour of his skin. It is this kind of stereotypi­ng that takes us backwards as a country, and it is that kind of thing the ANC is going to be playing on. If it had been Jack Bloom, then it would have been “the DA is not ready for a black premier”. Now, because it is Maimane, it’s a matter of “he got in because he’s black and the DA needs black voters”. If you get those black voters, you’re going to have to deliver. That’s the core of your strategy for 2019, isn’t it? Exactly. And we have no doubt that Maimane has the ability to make it happen. But remember, it’s not a one-man show, it’s a team effort. We are very well advanced down the line in terms of putting into place the necessary support structures to ensure that the candidate will be able to deliver on the promise that we make. Because, indeed, that is very crucial. It is one thing winning an election; it is another thing governing and delivering. And the person who can bring in the votes will not necessaril­y be the person best able to deliver afterwards? We deliberate­d on all those things before the electoral college sat. Did the leadership make its preference­s known before the vote?

No, definitely not. Unlike before the election of Lindiwe Mazibuko? I am not going to say anything as far as that one is concerned. But I made it very clear that the process had to be free and fair. That is why I, as the provincial leader, expressed that I have no preference. Or put it this way, I do have a preference, but I remain neutral and will not divulge who my preference is. And that is still my stance. I also made it clear that whoever won would be our flag bearer, but that I would be the campaign leader for 2014. My job is [to figure out] how to use our prize fighter to the utmost so that we can achieve our objective. You say you’ve changed the perception of the voters out there about the DA image. How do you know that? We do our surveys. We are very meticulous about our surveys that we do on a weekly basis.

And they’re telling you what? Our support is growing in the townships and the informal areas. And it has got absolutely nothing to do with colour.

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