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Devilish laughter

Salman Rushdie's funniest book yet

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IHAD been speaking to Salman Rushdie for about an hour, in a bookshop café in New York, when a burly man in a baseball cap approached him.

“Are you Salman Rushdie?” he asked loudly.

“Yes,” said Rushdie, who, it’s true, is instantly recognisab­le. Over the years everything has become a little paler (greyer beard, lighter glasses) but the general outline is the same, and his gaze still contains a mixture of somnolent scepticism and impish joviality.

The man laughed in astonishme­nt. “I can’t believe it!” he said. “I was just sitting over there and I . . . I . . . I’m Mike. I’m an admirer of you because you . . .” He paused for thought. “. . . You fought against terrorists. You were held hostage? For, like, 40 days?”

“Yeah. Forty days and 40 nights,” said Rushdie, with a smile that both humoured the man and willed him to leave.

“You’re — you’re not a Muslim, right?” asked Mike, forging ahead. “No.” “You’re a Christian? A Roman Catholic?”

“No,” replied Rushdie. “I am not a religious person.”

“Oh, wow,” said Mike. “Can I get your autograph?” “Er . . .” said Rushdie. “OK.” It was hard not to marvel at this unexpected encounter, especially for the light it cast on Rushdie’s mixed-up predicamen­t.

It is 26 years since Ayatollah Khomeini sentenced him to death for having written, in The Satanic Verses, an allegedly blasphemou­s fiction, and 17 since that fatwa was officially lifted.

Although Rushdie has moved freely for almost twice as long as he was under threat, the rest of the world is suddenly interested in the pressures that no longer affect him. Just when he appears to have a quiet life, he is called on to discuss grand acts of terror. Although he was raised a Muslim and has wrestled with arguments about reason and religion since he was a boy, he is writing at a time when no one wants to hear complicate­d answers about the faith he knows best. And, perhaps most paradoxica­lly, he remains famous for having been in hiding.

Three years ago, Rushdie published a 600-page memoir, Joseph Anton, named after the alias he used under the fatwa.

Rushdie has authored almost 20 books, and out of all of them, the two he most enjoyed writing were those he wrote for his sons, Haroun and the Sea of Stories, in 1990, and Luka and the Fire of Life in 2010. (The names in their titles Zafar and Milan’s middle names.) Both were inspired by the wonder tales told to him by his father when he was a child: from the Thousand and One Nights, from the animal fables in the Panchatant­ra, from the Kashmiri collection called the Kathasarit­sagara . But those original stories were not intended for children. They were not morality tales — they were about wicked- ness and deceit and, as Rushdie recounts, bad guys who win. “So I thought: maybe I could do that — instead of writing for my sons, I could just write a book for the general readership.”

The result is Two Years Eight Months and Twenty-Eight Nights (that’s 1 001, in case you’d missed it), a homage to the Arabian Nights and the funniest novel Rushdie has written in years. It’s narrated by storytelle­rs who live a thousand years from now — they can change sex or skin colour by manipulati­ng their own genes — whose tales concern their “ancestors”; that is, our contempora­ries. A storm hits New York City in the early 21st century, and allows the genie, or “jinn”, to slip through one world into another. So begin “the strangenes­ses” — events that take place over two years, eight months and 28 days. A gardener realises his feet no longer touch the ground; a would-be graphic novelist sees one of his own characters come to life in his bedroom; the clothes of every man in Times Square disappear, leaving the men naked and the contents of their pockets tumbling to the ground. Of course, it’s all metaphoric­al. As Rushdie tells me: “Fantasy that is not grounded in reality is only a children’s story. If you’re going to do it for grown-ups, it has to be a way of talking about the world.”

The funniest aspects of the book are the voices — a superb character called Jimmy Kapoor, who lives with his mother; the horrendous man-eating socialite Teresa Saca; a pompous British composer Hugo Casterbrid­ge; the ruthlessly opportunis­t Ukrainian-American mayor of New York Rosa Fast — and the mischievou­s gags. For instance, Casterbrid­ge writes an article in the New York Times positing that after they had enjoyed what you might call “the first Big Bang”, Adam and Eve invented God. God was so furious at having been brought into the world that he threw them out of the Garden of Eden, “into, of all places, Iraq”.

There’s a silliness about Rushdie — or not quite that. There’s an enjoyment of silliness: it’s the glee that comes through, both in this book and in his demeanour. His laughter is a machine-gun-like ripple that decorates his speech. And glossing over his historical research, he tells me he has at least met a real genie, because he once knew Robin Williams.

Years ago, when he showed his 10-year-old son Zafar an early draft of the book he had written for him, Zafar said: “It needs more jump.” Rushdie rewrote it. This new book has plenty of jump.

This time around, he says, he is aiming to be “more playful, less exact”. He is not interrogat­ing the Koran or writing dream sequences about Mohammed.

I ask if he thinks there’s anything in the book that is likely to land him in trouble.

“What?” Rushdie replies with a shrug. “Everything lands me in trouble. I only have to go out for the evening, and I’ve landed in trouble.” (Rushdie is fond of a party and eyebrows are often raised at the alacrity with which he appears to be making up for lost time.)

So does he think he’ll get into trouble or doesn’t he?

“I don’t think about it,” he says. “My view is: either write your books or don’t write your books. But don’t write them being scared.”

What about the passage that suggests “the practice of extreme violence, known by the catch-all and often inexact term terrorism, was always of particular attraction to male individual­s who were either virgins or unable to find sexual partners”. If only militants had more sex, they’d lose interest in suicide belts? “It’s true,” Rushdie replies. What I thought was a joke about extremism, he takes to be self-evident. “It seems to me a lot of this has to do with young men in places where it’s impossible for them to have normal relations with members of the opposite sex, and where they’re so impoverish­ed that the idea of making a family is untenable,” he explains. “And then they go and pick up a gun and feel glamorous and it appears that women are just provided for them. You can understand that that has something to do with what’s going on. It doesn’t explain why the women want to go. Why are these girls all defecting? That seems to me a much more peculiar thing.”

I ask him if there’s a conversati­on about Islam that we should be having and are not.

“It’s not that we’re not having it,” he responds. “It’s to do with the terms of the conversati­on. For instance, there’s a genuine desire to say, about this extremism, that it’s somehow not Islam. And it seems to me that’s nonsensica­l. Because when everybody involved in that project says that it is, who are we to say that it isn’t?

“Now, of course,” he continues, “it’s an Islam which is not what many Muslims would say they practised. That doesn’t stop it from being Islam. But I think one way of absolutely not solving the problem is not to call it by its true name. You have to see this as a cancer growing inside Islam. At least, as a first step, let’s talk about the right thing.”

As for his own life, he says: “It’s pretty dull, thank you.” He has lived in New York for almost 16 years, married, divorced, and, after a lifetime of not belonging, settled down.

In the bookshop where we meet, a cookbook by his fourth ex-wife, Padma Lakshmi, is prominentl­y displayed. Rushdie chuckles as he notices it. They’re good friends, he says, although he wasn’t polite about her in his memoir, and one suspects retaliatio­n may yet be in store, since she is now writing a memoir of her own.

“My life got too interestin­g for a while,” he suggests, “and I’m quite happy that it’s boring. When you’ve been deprived of everyday life and then you get it back, you grab it with both hands — it’s all you want.” — ©

❛ My view is: either write your books or don’t write your books. But don’t write them being scared ❛ When you’ve been deprived of everyday life and then you get it back, you grab it with both hands — it’s all you want

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 ?? Picture: REUTERS ?? GLEEFUL: Salman Rushdie believes militants are sex-starved young men unable to have normal relations with women, who then ’go and pick up a gun and feel glamorous’
Picture: REUTERS GLEEFUL: Salman Rushdie believes militants are sex-starved young men unable to have normal relations with women, who then ’go and pick up a gun and feel glamorous’

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