ArtReview

“FRICTION GENERATES MOTION AND CHANGE”

ANNA LOWENHAUPT TSING

- Interviewe­d by Ben Eastham

The ideas of anthropolo­gist Anna L. Tsing have not only entered the artistic discourse but are in the process of reshaping it. In books including the vastly influentia­l The Mushroom at the End of the World (2015), which has for a protagonis­t the matsutake mushroom, Tsing proposes a way of seeing the world that demolishes the boundaries separating human ‘culture’ from nonhuman ‘nature’. By describing how people are inextricab­ly bound into the environmen­ts they inhabit, she illustrate­s how we might learn to live on a damaged planet.

That the world cannot wholly be understood from a unified human perspectiv­e has obvious ramificati­ons in the field of art. Feral Atlas – the research platform that Tsing cofounded with Jennifer Deger, Alder Keleman Saxena and Feifei Zhou – responds to this crisis by experiment­ing with new ways of telling stories about our ‘more-than-human Anthropoce­ne’. More widely, Tsing’s influence is apparent in the proliferat­ion of artworks that aspire to ‘decentre’ the human or that propose new alliances across the convenient fictions of self, nation and species. These are the foundation­s for an aesthetics of art in the era of ecological catastroph­e.

Ž‘’‘“”•“– In your book Friction [2004], which sprang from your work in a region of Indonesia suering deforestat­ion, you describe a meeting with a tribal elder in which he asked you to intervene directly with President Suharto. After you explain that anthropolo­gists don’t have that kind of political influence, he suggests that it is your responsibi­lity instead to put a ‘hair in the flour’. Could you explain that metaphor and how it has shaped your own relationsh­ip to power?

Ž——Ž ˜™–“—šŽ›œ’ ’ž•—Ÿ In Indonesia it is traditiona­l to make rice cakes to appease the spirits, who can partake of their beautiful smell. So if you think that the national government exists in similar relation to the Meratus people as the spirit world – as an inescapabl­e force over their lives with whom it is impossible to communicat­e directly – then to put a hair in the cakes’ flour is to exploit a weak point in the system that connects them to it.

I teach at a university in the United States, which brings constraint­s. But I’m willing to do that, in part, because it allows me to participat­e in the imaginatio­n of alternativ­e visions that might make cracks in the apparatus of power, which is not quite the same as smashing it. Some of my colleagues think we should just stand up and denounce the system. But anthropolo­gy is one of the least powerful discipline­s in the academy, and so denouncing is not enough unless you’ve figured out a channel through which your denunciati­ons might carry traction. I fear that no one will listen to our denounceme­nts unless we make them beautiful. It might be part of the work of writers and artists to invest critical work with this kind of traction: to put a hair in the flour. You have studied sites of environmen­tal catastroph­e – from the diminished forests of Oregon

the frontiers of extractive capitalism in Indonesia – and described the unexpected alliances that emerge from the ruins. They are figured as sites of destructio­n but also of resistance and creative potential. These zones are characteri­sed by a force you call ‘friction’.

Sometimes people interpret friction as only meaning conflict, but it is also a creative force. I think of rubbing two sticks to make fire, or the friction that creates the traction between wheel and road that pushes a vehicle forward. That friction generates motion and change, and it’s a useful way of thinking about how the political cultures and worldmakin­g projects by which we are surrounded don’t operate independen­tly. Instead, they are always rubbing up against each other. Clearly, those processes can have catastroph­ic eects but they can also make possible new formations of power. You can’t know in advance what will happen.

‚ Do you consider the transdisci­plinary work of Feral Atlas to exist in a comparable ‘zone of awkward engagement’?

It is so important to work across dierent forms of knowledge-formation and allow them to interact without trying to create what [sociologis­t] John Law calls a ‘one-world world’, a homogeneou­s space in which everything fits perfectly together. This also allows us to consider how knowledge of all kinds, including Indigenous or traditiona­l forms of knowledge, might rub up against each other to create new eects, rather than stand alone as separate planets.

‚ These interactio­ns between diverse forms of knowledge – or communitie­s, or species – aren’t figured as necessaril­y harmonious. Your work as a writer and with Feral Atlas instead foreground­s di€erence, translatio­n and the friction that arises from those encounters. You’ve described those meeting points as ‘assemblage­s’.

I like the term ‘assemblage’ as it’s used in ecology. In that context it describes all the plants, soils and other things that just happen to be in a particular place. It doesn’t assume in advance to know the relationsh­ips between them, and so it forces you to figure them out rather than simply apply a predetermi­ned logic. Are these two plants in some form of mutualist relationsh­ip, or is one a parasite on the other? We don’t know, and we shouldn’t presume to know what the eects of their rubbing up against each other might be.

I wanted to create a school like that, in which it was possible to study the places at which dierent cultures and politics come together without judging their relationsh­ip or their eects in advance. Those interactio­ns between diverse political and cultural projects create the friction we were talking about, and often they have unexpected and unpredicta­ble eects that cannot simply be reduced to a predetermi­ned algorithm.

‚ In The Mushroom at the End of the World you advocate for the importance of descriptiv­e work, of observing and recording. Descriptio­n, like illustrati­on, has a poor reputation in both the arts and sciences. Why is descriptio­n so denigrated, and why is it so important now?

A false dichotomy between descriptio­n and theory has really gotten in our way. It reduces descriptio­n to merely mechanical work and makes theory transcende­nt, as if it were a religious commitment. Descriptio­n is important because it gives traction to a theoretica­l perspectiv­e. To propose theory without descriptio­n is to ask for the reader’s blind faith.

Let’s take a problem like the Anthropoce­ne. If we can’t describe the patches through which our environmen­tally troubled earth is emerging, then we can’t have any clue what it is we’re studying. That work is theoretica­l work, and without it we are in deep trouble. Feral Atlas is a critically engaged project of descriptio­n.

In the process it makes theoretica­l points, and so I’m interested that you tied the problem of descriptio­n to that of illustrati­on. We were very careful with Feral Atlas not to use art to exemplify theory, to show what’s already known. Instead the art does conceptual work in the same vitalising way that we’re ascribing to descriptio­n.

‚ So descriptio­n or illustrati­on might allow us to think about objects, like the Anthropoce­ne, that are otherwise too vast to conceptual­ise. Is it also a way of training ourselves to see that which we are conditione­d to ignore?

When I was in Oregon working on my project about mushrooms, I realised that the foresters simply couldn’t see the mushrooms that were proliferat­ing in their forest. They were trained to see only board-feet of timber, even though these mushrooms became at certain points commercial­ly more valuable than the timber. The foresters were stuck on an assignment they’d been given at the start of the twentieth century.

I am committed to moving beyond the modernist vision practices that we have all been schooled in. Because in Oregon it wasn’t just the mushrooms that were invisible to the authoritie­s, it was the Southeast Asian refugees who were living in the forest to gather them. It seems to me that figuring out what’s going on around us is a good first step towards figuring out how to go forward.

‚ How might changing the way we see the world make it possible for us to, as the subtitle of your most recent book puts it, live in the ruins?

Stories of environmen­tal collapse can paralyse people, but they can also open us up to the world and foster new sensibilit­ies. Take for example Feifei Zhou’s drawings for Feral Atlas, which conjoin dierent historical references within a single landscape. That’s a new modality of seeing that might make it possible for the viewer to notice things in their regular world that were previously invisible to them.

I’ve thought a lot about the aect that Feral Atlas aims to conjure, and I’ve settled on ‘wonder in the midst of dread’. Rather than being suocated by the terrible things that are happening, that wonder might stimulate the curiosity we need to work through those problems.

‚ You are the coeditor of an anthology of essays entitled Arts of Living on a Damaged Planet (2017), which is organised around two wonderful and dreadful types: ghosts and monsters. How are they useful in terms of thinking about the Anthropoce­ne?

We are surrounded by ghosts. Consider those plants that have lost the animals that distribute their seeds, meaning they are no longer able to reproduce. They’re still clinging on, but there is no prospect of survival. They have one foot in the world of ghosts. This haunting is not just metaphoric­al, it is a material form of ghostlines­s.

In terms of monsters, biology until 30 years ago was stuck on the idea that every organism simply reproduced itself in isolation from the environmen­t and from history. Nobody thinks that anymore. We know now that organisms and their environmen­ts are interactin­g all the time and across species in ways that aect the next generation. In the twentieth century these interspeci­es interplays, and the chimeras of various sorts they produce, would have been considered monstrous. But this switching across species is now accepted in profession­al biology and the idea is creeping into the vernacular. All around us are beings that can’t possibly be understood independen­tly of the multiple kinds of organisms that partake in them.

How can art reflect this shift?

Art can foster the curiosity and openness that generates the new sensibilit­y we need to work with and through these problems. I’m delighted by all the experiment­s that go on in the arts. I think of Anicka Yi’s interspeci­es models – part fungi, mammal, plant, bacteria, robot

– floating around Tate Modern, interactin­g with visitors. That can change what we think life is.

Ben Eastham is a writer based in Athens

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