SINSAENUM

Slipknot leg­end Joey Jordison and Dragon­force bassist Frédéric Le­clercq teamed up for death me­tal pro­ject Sinsaenum. But how much deeper does their friend­ship run? To find out, we got them to in­ter­view each other…

Metal Hammer (UK) - - Contents - WORDS: TOM O’BOYLE

Joey Jordison and Frédéric Le­clercq re­veal the next steps for the ex­treme me­tal su­per­group.

It’s the death me­tal su­per­group to end all death me­tal su­per­groups. In 2016, Joey Jordison and Dragon­force bassist Frédéric Le­clercq took up with mayhem vo­cal­ist at­tila csi­har, Dååth vo­cal­ist Sean Za­torsky, Loud­blast gui­tarist Stéphane Buriez and bassist heimoth to form Sinsaenum. Shed­ding any ac­ces­si­ble el­e­ments of their ‘other’ bands, this is a pro­ject fo­cused purely on ex­trem­ity. Tear­ing him­self from the TV dur­ing France’s vic­tory over Bel­gium in the world cup semi-fi­nal, happy-go-lucky Parisian Fréd and good-na­turedly stoic Joey agreed to grill each other about their broth­er­hood and forth­com­ing sec­ond al­bum, Repul­sion For Hu­man­ity.

JOEY: WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST IM­PRES­SION OF ME?

FRÉDÉRIC: “I met you in 2007 with Sam [Tot­man, Dragon­force gui­tarist]. We ap­proached you and said, ‘hey man, you’re a mag­got!’ You said nicely, po­litely, be­cause you were sober and we were com­pletely smashed, ‘oh yeah, that’s what we call our fans.’ and we said, ‘No, no, you’re a mag­got.’ You were puz­zled! The year after, Slipknot and Dragon­force toured to­gether for mayhem fest in the US. You told me, ‘I re­mem­ber what you said to me – calm your tits, that’s not cool.’ I thought, ‘he’s not very fun.’ a few days after, we started talk­ing about mor­bid an­gel, and I quickly re­alised you were a good guy.”

FRÉD: WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST IM­PRES­SION OF me?

JOEY: “I’d al­ways go to watch you play. The con­nec­tion you had with the fans was dif­fer­ent than a lot of peo­ple I’ve seen; you’re one of the kind­est peo­ple I’ve ever met in the in­dus­try, but at the same time you have a very ex­treme me­tal dark side.

That’s why we formed Sinsaenum – I met you for a rea­son, it was meant to be, like a dif­fer­ent force com­ing from some­where else. I knew in­stantly I had a brother; you don’t find that very of­ten.”

FRÉD: [To Ham­mer] “a few years later I sent him some demos and he thought it was cool. he asked who was drum­ming. ‘No one,’ I said, ‘…you?’ he said, ‘Fuck yeah, count me in!’ he was su­per-mo­ti­vated, he wanted a time­frame for get­ting in a stu­dio and what­not, and I was like, ‘Umm… oK, oK!’ The songs were half done; I had to fuck­ing get on with it!”

JOEY: WHAT’S YOUR FAVOURITE LYRIC OF MINE?

FRÉD: “easy, the cho­rus for [may’s sin­gle] Fi­nal Re­solve. I don’t know if we told you, but Stéphane [Buriez, gui­tars] and I were stoked to be able to sit and write with you. The cho­rus came nat­u­rally: ‘Crush / It is grip­ping / Crush / Sen­tenced to die / Crush / No more emo­tion / Crush / The fi­nal re­solve.’”

JOEY: [Imi­tates riffs and drums] “Dah dah dah dummm… di­di­di­didi!”

FRÉD: “ha ha ha!”

FRÉD: WHAT WAS I LIKE IN THE STU­DIO?

JOEY: “I’ll tell you, you’re one of the best coaches I’ve had in the stu­dio. You know ex­actly what you want, be­cause you’re the pri­mary song­writer, so it’s my job to make sure that ev­ery­thing’s done how you want it, with, of course, my in­tu­ition and orig­i­nal­ity. We worked to­gether. It came out fuck­ing bru­tal!”

FRÉD: “You’re very fo­cused. You want the best and you’re not afraid of try­ing dif­fer­ent things. For the pre­vi­ous al­bum you recorded in the US, but we had the sense to do it to­gether this time. That’s

“i thought you weren’t any fun”

FRED WAS DRUNK AND ROWDY WHEN HE MET JOEY

some­thing. If you’re oK with it, Joey, we’ll have to do that again – I had a great time.”

FRÉD: WE SHARED A HOUSE WHILE WE MADE THE RECORD. WHAT WAS IT LIKE BE­ING MY ROOMMATE? DID YOU LIKE MY COOK­ING?

JOEY: “We’re gonna be shar­ing a bus to­gether, so the house was easy!”

FRÉD: “You used to fall asleep with the TV turned up very loud – that’s the only com­plaint I have.”

JOEY: “I have to have the TV loud so I can sleep, oth­er­wise my ears ring like a moth­er­fucker… years of cym­bals don’t help!”

FRÉD: “It was very fo­cused. We knew ex­actly what we wanted to achieve.”

JOEY: I SUG­GESTED AT­TILA [CSI­HAR, MAYHEM VO­CAL­IST] JOIN THE BAND. HOW DO YOU FIND WORK­ING WITH HIM?

FRÉD: “It’s great – I’m a huge mayhem fan. De Mys­teriis Dom Sathanas is an amaz­ing record, but that’s not how we think about peo­ple in the band. It was im­pres­sive at first. I taught him a part in a song called An­fang des Alb­traumes from our first al­bum, [2016’s] Echoes Of The Tor­tured, and wanted him to sing like he did on De Mys­teriis… he did it and I got chills. he’s a great per­son, very in­ter­est­ing; he comes up with fucked-up ideas!”

FRÉD: WHAT’S YOUR FAVOURITE THING I’VE DONE ON THE NEW RECORD?

JOEY: “ev­ery­thing. The song­writ­ing is amaz­ing; I’m 100 fuck­ing mil­lion in­fin­ity per cent proud to be your drum­mer and a part of Sinsaenum.”

FRÉD: “I don’t know what to say! The one mo­ment I es­pe­cially re­mem­ber is when you recorded I Stand Alone in one take. We were all be­hind the win­dow watch­ing you think­ing, ‘oh, fuck!’”

JOEY: “It’s cool you men­tion that, be­cause when I’m prac­tis­ing I re­mem­ber that record­ing ex­pe­ri­ence ev­ery time. There’s some­thing eerie about that song; when I play it, I feel like you guys are in the room with me, like ghosts. It feels strong, man.”

FRÉD: WERE YOU EVER FRUS­TRATED ABOUT NOT BE­ING ABLE TO GO MORE EX­TREME IN SLIPKNOT?

JOEY: “No, be­cause we can al­ways go more or less ex­treme – the fact is, we need to be hon­est with our­selves and the mu­sic we wanna por­tray and where we wanna go in life. other than that, no.” FRÉD: WhaT’S IT LIKe go­INg From are­NaS WITh SLIPKNoT To SmaLLer VeNUeS WITh SINSaeNUm? JOEY: “I don’t care if a hun­dred or a hun­dred thou­sand peo­ple show up. We play mu­sic be­cause we have to, pe­riod.”

FRÉD: “We had a mo­ment with Dragon­force when we were big, and then it went down and up again, and it didn’t mat­ter about the size of the venue – as long as you touch peo­ple.”

JOEY: “I love Dragon­force. When we met on tour, I watched you guys all the time. I’m not a big power me­tal fan, but I can’t say a bad thing – that band is tech­ni­cally in­sane.”

FRÉD: “The guys called it ex­treme power me­tal when we started, be­cause of the blasts and BPm. I guess I have more bad things to say about Dragon­force than you do! ha ha ha! I’ve been with them for 13 years. I could al­ways com­plain about some things, but I’m very happy.”

JOEY: WHAT EX­TREME ME­TAL BAND CHANGED YOUR LIFE THE MOST?

FRÉD: “Do you have an idea of my an­swer?”

JOEY: “I pretty much do!”

FRÉD AND JOEY: [Both cack­ling with laugh­ter] “mor­bid an­gel!”

FRÉD: “That was the band that con­nected us when we met. We’d see each other from afar and say, ‘mor­bid an­gel­l­lll!’ That was our way of say­ing hi. Their ap­proach to death me­tal was dif­fer­ent to other bands. There was some­thing evil about their sound. Their in­flu­ence isn’t some­thing I’m try­ing to hide in Sinsaenum.”

FRÉD: JOEY, WHAT’S THE BIG­GEST MIS­CON­CEP­TION ABOUT YOU?

JOEY: “I don’t know. I don’t fol­low the in­ter­net.” FRÉD: “That’s true!”

JOEY: “Fuck what any­one thinks about me. I know who I am and how strong I am. I do what I want to do. I stand by my­self and I know what’s right and wrong. I know what I need to do as a hu­man be­ing, that’s it.”

FRÉD: HAVE YOU EVER WANTED TO FRONT A BAND?

JOEY: “No. ha ha!”

FRÉD: “That’s it?”

JOEY: “When I played gui­tar in mur­der­dolls, it was kind of fronting a band or what­ever. I can sing, but you know it’s just not my thing, man. When [2002 de­but] Beyond The Val­ley Of The Mur­der­dolls came out it was a free feel­ing – some­thing that was locked up in­side me and my gui­tar. The band was campy as shit, but it was fun. We’d say we were se­ri­ous about not be­ing se­ri­ous. mur­der­dolls tours were about re­lease – the ul­ti­mate mu­si­cal va­ca­tion be­fore we had to get back to real work.”

JOEY: HOW DOES IT FEEL TO SEE YOUR MU­SIC COME TO LIFE, GIVEN YOU STARTED WRIT­ING IN 1998?

FRÉD: “It’s about fuck­ing time! When I started writ­ing death me­tal in 1998, I wanted it to come out at some point, but it took me a long time. I did Dragon­force, which is a to­tally dif­fer­ent emo­tion. all my neg­a­tiv­ity, anger, ha­tred goes into the Sinsaenum folder, and then we can carry on with our lives!”

JOEY: WHAT’S YOUR BIG­GEST AM­BI­TION NOW?

FRÉD: “Well, what’s yours?”

JOEY: “our tour’s com­ing up, and my am­bi­tion is to re­main strong and keep mov­ing for­ward, non­stop. Keep prac­tis­ing drums. my kit’s my life, that is what I do; that’s what I’m on earth for.”

FRÉD:“WE’RE tour­ing europe for a month, and rus­sia and Ja­pan. I want to carry on be­ing able to do what I like to do. I al­ready achieved a lot – not much com­pared to oth­ers, per­haps, but to live for my pas­sion, to be healthy and happy.”

JOEY: “I’m off to Sinsaenum re­hearsals. hail me­tal and hail life!”

“i knew in­stantly i had a brother”

JOEY FELT A KIN­SHIP WITH FEL­LOW MOR­BID AN­GEL FAN FRED

Joey Jordison and Frédéric Le­clercq:brothers from dif­fer­ent moth­ers

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