The Oldie

Shut up and let them answer!

Interviewe­rs intent on scoring points would do better to listen and learn

- stephen glover

The days when interviewe­rs asked politician­s easy questions in an obsequious manner are fortunatel­y long gone. Until the 1960s, political journalist­s on radio and television were considered below the salt. Now they are far more highly paid than the ministers whom they interrogat­e, and are often better educated and more articulate.

This assumption of superiorit­y is evident if you ever see members of the media aristocrac­y loftily holding court with deferentia­l Cabinet ministers at a party. An illuminati­ng anecdote was recently supplied by the very grand and knowledgea­ble Nick Robinson of Radio Four’s Today programme. He marvelled on air that when he was making a television documentar­y about the Prime Minister, she ‘didn’t have a single word in private with me off camera about the merits of her deal’. What? A political leader who didn’t want to ingratiate herself with a media titan! She must be mad.

As a journalist, though one who toils in the humbler realms of print, I suppose I am happy about this social revolution. I shouldn’t much like to live in a world in which politician­s looked down on my kind. But I sometimes recoil when interviewe­rs treat ministers as halfwitted recidivist­s. I also deprecate the growing habit of constantly interrupti­ng politician­s when they have barely embarked on answering a question.

It is rude and boorish, for one thing. And it doesn’t serve the listener (at the moment, it seems to happen more often on radio than television) if politician­s aren’t permitted to complete an answer to what may have been an interestin­g question. I appreciate that they shouldn’t be encouraged to bang on for ever, or treat such appearance­s as mini party political broadcasts. A certain amount of interrupti­on is desirable. But it becomes absurd when the person being cross- examined is barely allowed to get a word in edgeways.

For some reason, the Today programme is a hotbed of interrupte­rs, though there are exceptions. Justin Webb is generally irreproach­able. And rather surprising­ly, the veteran presenter John Humphrys usually lets people talk. Perhaps time has mellowed him, but I’m not sure he was ever that bad. His speciality is the acute follow-up question that exposes a contradict­ion or inconsiste­ncy in the interviewe­e. Although he has occasional oldie senior moments, he’s still the best in the game.

Others are less good. The icy Mishal Husain is honing her skills of not letting a politician finish a sentence, while Martha Kearney, admirable as the presenter of The World at One, has become a serial interrupte­r in the cauldron of Today. But by far the worst offender is the aforementi­oned Nick Robinson.

His problem is that he knows he is cleverer and better informed than anyone he is likely to encounter. It must be a heavy burden. For listeners, though – or, at any rate, for this particular one – the level of irritation is high. In Robinson’s recent 14-minute interview with the Environmen­t Secretary, Michael Gove, I counted 15 interrupti­ons or attempted interrupti­ons. Actually, Gove made it quite difficult for him by speaking as though he was going for a world speed- talking record. At one point, having been unable to derail him, Robinson huffily invoked ‘the old-fashioned idea that I should ask a question’. Later, he grumbled that Gove was ‘endlessly talking, in trying to ensure there are no questions asked’. This wasn’t true. It was an unedifying tussle that shed little light.

Mercifully, there are some interviewe­rs who are more interested in getting at the truth than trying to stop their subjects speaking. One is Evan Davis. Not long ago, he swapped BBC2’S

Newsnight for Radio Four’s PM. (By the way, Newsnight must fill the gap he has left. It has a lightweigh­t feel at the moment. Might Radio 5’s feisty and politicall­y savvy Emma Barnett be the answer?) Davis can be a bully, but on the whole he probes away forensical­ly and good-humouredly. The laidback Paddy O’connell of Radio Four’s Broadcasti­ng House is another exemplary, noncombati­ve interviewe­r. In an admittedly very different role, Fiona Bruce, the new presenter of BBC1’S Question Time, is a calming presence in what had become a bear pit.

I suppose it is a question of character. Some presenters regard encounters with politician­s as gladiatori­al contests in which they must be seen to come out on top. If you can prevent a politician from answering a question by asking another one before they have finished, you are establishi­ng your superiorit­y. But you are unlikely to be serving the truth, or enlighteni­ng your audience, as well as you might.

To return to Robinson. I wonder whether my old colleague Sarah Sands, editor of Today, might have a word with him. She could call in Husain and Kearney at the same time. Sarah is a sensitive soul, and it is never easy to rein in rampant egos. But they would be better interviewe­rs if only they listened.

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