The Scotsman

Dugdale says she has changed her stance on independen­ce

- Rachel Amery

Former Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale says her stance on independen­ce has “moved”, but says she does not believe there will be another referendum within the next ten years.

Ms Dugdale was appearing alongside Lesley Riddoch at the Edinburgh Internatio­nal Book Festival to discuss the political future of Scotland when she made the comments.

She also said the Labour Party in Wales is “more bolshy” and more able to stand up to Westminste­r than their counterpar­ts in Scotland.

Msdugdale,whoismarri­ed to SNP MSP and Scottish Education Secretary Jenny Gilruth, spent eight years as a Labour MSP and led the party in Scotland between 2015 and 2017.

Ms Dugdale said: “If you are presented with a binary choice between an independen­t Scotland in a progressiv­e Europe of little Boris Brexit Britain, I know where my cards would fall down.

“I also know I couldn’t argue with the same strength for the union that I did in 2014 now. That doesn’t mean I’m ready to vote Yes – there are big, big questions we need to debate as a country and resolve.

“So I have moved – we have to keep talking about some of these big issues in the country, but not just purely through that Yes/no lens.”

However while she said she does think there will be another independen­ce referendum, it will not come in the next ten years.

She also spoke about the difference­s she can now see between the Labour Party and Wales and the Labour Party in Scotland.

Ruth Wishart, who was chairing the discussion, said: “We have a situation where we have a Labour First Minister in Wales - he seems to me to be more bolshy than his Scottish counterpar­ts and a lot more able and inclined to take Westminste­r on.”

In response Ms Dugdale said: “I think that’s right. They put Welsh heritage front and centre of their politics.”

Ms Wishart then asked if she was “disappoint­ed” in Sir Keir Starmer on Europe.

In response Ms Dugdale said: “Of course I am, but I understand what he is trying to do. He is trying to win an election.”

 ?? ?? Kezia Dugdale in conversati­on with Lesley Riddoch at this year’s Edinburgh Internatio­nal Book Festival
Kezia Dugdale in conversati­on with Lesley Riddoch at this year’s Edinburgh Internatio­nal Book Festival

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