The Scottish Mail on Sunday

FISCAL PHIL: Corbyn in power? It’d be like turning off Britain’s lights

And I did NOT switch allegiance to ‘PM’ Boris with a 4am text!

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have regarded Timothy as ‘economical­ly illiterate.’ Hammond says his relations with Mrs May have been transforme­d since the Election. ‘She has changed the way she operates her office, is more accessible to colleagues, more engaged – an altogether better way of doing government.’ He means she fired Timothy, whom he loathed. Hammond replies with deadly understate­ment: ‘That was not a symmetrica­l relationsh­ip: I was largely indifferen­t to Nick Timothy; he apparently wasn’t that keen on me.’ Ouch. Hammond’s allies say he blamed Timothy for keeping him on the sidelines during the Election campaign. ‘We did not argue the strengths of our economy or make the case,’ he protests.

The Tories may have dropped the ‘dementia tax’ like a hot brick in the Election. But, according to Hammond, it cannot be ignored for ever.

‘We cannot give unconditio­nal support to a relatively wealthy older generation at the expense of a younger generation increasing­ly excluded from asset ownership.’ But it had to be done in a less ‘threatenin­g’ way that did not cause panic – as the manifesto ‘dementia tax’ bombshell did.

With Mr Timothy out of the way, most of Mr Hammond’s Tory tussles have been with Boris Johnson over Brexit. Hammond favours a ‘soft Brexit’ with a flexible transition. Johnson wants a ‘hard Brexit’ with a two-year maximum transition.

The rift flared last week with a claim in the Sunday Times that Mr Hammond texted Mr Johnson

We did not argue the strengths of our economy

at 4am on Election night offering to support him for the Tory leadership in return for remaining Chancellor when it appeared Mrs May could be forced to resign.

Mr Hammond says it is not true and suggests the account was a distortion. ‘I do not recognise the words, or indeed the sentiment, that I saw written in the Sunday Times. When you read the article carefully, it didn’t say, “The text said 100 per cent behind you’”. Instead, it reads, “Boris said I’ve had a text from Phil Hammond – he’s 100 per cent behind me” – not quoting me, but interpreti­ng me.’

He was indignant not just because it was false to suggest he would ever plot against Mrs May.

‘I’d go further than that: it’s completely against my character to write down anything like that. I do not write people texts of that descriptio­n.’

Our interview took place hours before Mr Johnson fired another ‘hard Brexit’ broadside in the direction of Mrs May and Mr Hammond, stating the transition period from the UK’s formal exit in March 2019 must not last ‘a second longer than two years.’ Mr Hammond said: ‘The PM has said around two years and I’m happy with that. I’ve previously suggested that it could have been up to three years.’ That is a lot of extra seconds. Mr Hammond also derides claims by some of those close to Boris that his explosive ‘hard Brexit’ transition demand two weeks ago in a 4,000-word newspaper article forced Mrs May to take a tougher line in her keynote speech in Florence.

‘I’d been engaged in the discussion­s with her over months and know how her thinking was evolving. These are not just random thoughts, “Let’s go down this route.”’

Translatio­n: Boris makes a lot of noise, but I’m the one with the PM’s ear.

In what may be interprete­d as another jibe at charismati­c Mr Johnson, Mr Hammond said he was ‘happy being Chancellor’ and was not ‘on a personal ego trip.’

Mr Hammond, 61, ruled himself out of any Tory leadership challenge long ago. But he repeatedly declined to say he would back Mr Johnson – or any other potential candidate – for the post if Mrs May goes.

Put on the spot over Mrs May’s prospects, Mr Hammond is

Of course the barbs hurt – who wouldn’t be upset?

circumspec­t. She has his ‘complete support’ and is ‘doing a good job in a very difficult set of circumstan­ces’. But he adds: ‘She has said that she intends to fight the next Election, and if that’s what she does, I will back her.’

There is no hint of disloyalty, but he is too honest to pretend she will lead the Tories into the next Election, due in 2022.

Mr Hammond’s ‘soft Brexit’ views have earned him abuse from media enemies who have called him ‘slippery and snakelike’.

‘I’m not thin-skinned, but it does annoy me because it’s a misreprese­ntation. I have no personal career ambitions. My only aim is to get us through this challengin­g period and come out stronger as a nation.’

Does it upset his wife Susan? ‘Of course. Who wouldn’t be upset? Nobody likes that.’

Asked to describe himself in a word, Hammond pauses before replying: ‘Fiscal.’

It means someone who is sound with money and comes from the Latin noun ‘fiscus’, which means ‘Treasury’ or ‘basket’ from the way Roman emperors used to collect money. But whether ‘Fiscal Phil’ remains in charge of the nation’s coffers if and when Emperor Boris succeeds to No 10 is another matter.

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