The Sunday Telegraph - Sunday

The activist on street parties in St Lucia, frogs’ legs and saving up for a safari

- Interview by Roz Lewis

MY FAMILY AND MY WORK LIFE IN LONDON

are pretty full-on, because there’s always something happening, whether it’s Black Lives Matter, Grenfell or Windrush. But travelling provides me with respite and self-care, just to go somewhere where I can relax and unwind.

BEFORE LOCKDOWN, I WAS TRAVELLING EVERY MONTH

for my work for the Kaleidosco­pe Trust, as the trust works in Asia, Africa, the Caribbean, Pacific and parts of Europe. There are some laws that exist in Commonweal­th countries that mean people are being criminalis­ed just because of who they love. I’ve also travelled extensivel­y to Pride and Black Pride events around the world.

I WENT TO BOTSWANA LAST YEAR

for a gathering of LGBT people to celebrate the fact that it had decriminal­ised homosexual­ity. It’s a beautiful country, so now I’m trying to save for the next year or two in order to go for a luxury safari in Botswana or Kenya.

WHEN I GO TO ST LUCIA, I USUALLY STAY IN GROS ISLET

where there is this wonderful tradition called Fish Fry Friday. It feels a bit like a carnival but it’s a street party. There is loads of food, including different types of fish, such as lobster and snapper, with wonderful creole sauce. There’s j just something about t being in St Lucia – the sun, the sea, a, and the people are so friendly.

THE FOOD IN CHILE IS AMAZING,

as is the nightlife. I went there for a women’s conference, but also took some days for myself yself and went to Santiago tiago to the Museum of Memory and

Human Rights, and learnt about Pinochet.

I ABSOLUTELY Y LOVE GOING TO CAMBRIDGE

in the summertime. me. I’m not the greatest test cyclist but I make an exception for Cambridge because there are just so many different things and places you get to see on a bike.

AS A BLACK WOMAN, RESEARCHIN­G WHERE I’M TRAVELLING IS A HUGE FACTOR

in any holiday or travel plans. For work, we do a risk assessment and, if going to a country that has discrimina­tory laws, we make sure that we’ve got safety measures in place. For any personal trip, I will look at crime rates, incidences of hate crime towards women and hotel reviews. Making sure you don’t leave with a scarred view of the place is important.

FOR A PERFECT HOLIDAY, I LIKE SUNSHINE,

good food, a good book to read by the pool and, if I am going to go travelling with people, or a companion, the company has to be right. You may be travelling with someone who’s really active and wants to go on bike rides and hiking,

and that’s not necessaril­y me.

MY EARLIEST TRAVELTRA MEMORIES INCLUINCLU­DE GOING TO THE ISLISLE OF WIGHT

– which felt like “abroad” because yo you had to get on a ferry – tastin tasting my first frogs’ legs at 10 years old in Paris, and a trip to Accra in Ghana when I was 11. I learnt there t that, because of bla blackouts, people would have to sit in the dar dark or light a candle.

I WENT CAMPINGC IN PENZAPENZA­NCE and, whi while the town wa was beautifu beautiful, sleeping on a blow-up mattress in a tent wasn’t for me. I like to look at nature on television or by going for a quick walk, not while I’m trying to sleep! I’m very frightened of spiders.

THE LAST TIME I WAS IN JAMAICA

I stayed in this beautiful resort called Round Hill, which had a stunning infinity pool and is now my favourite place to stay in the world. St Lucia and Jamaica are possibly my favourite holiday destinatio­ns. I also love going to Bermuda, the Seychelles, Barbados and Mauritius.

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO CALL OUT THE RACISM

and the discrimina­tion where you see it and other times you just really want to enjoy yourself and you don’t want to have to deal with it. I think also sometimes because of my profile, I do have to put checks and balances in place when I travel somewhere. For example, I will be a lot more cautious when visiting a part of England that might have a high rate of the British National Party.

I HAVE QUITE A LONG LIST OF PLACES I WANT TO GO,

for example, Australia, but I will have to mentally prepare myself for the long journey. I’ve also never been to Portugal. I want to go to Sri Lanka, India, South Africa, and Australia Prides. If I can get to travel this year, I would love to go back to Barbados or to St Lucia. But of course, this is all Covid-pending.

Lady Phyll (aka Phyllis OpokuGyima­h) is executive director of the LGBT human rights charity Kaleidosco­pe Trust, as well as the co-founder of the award-winning celebratio­n UK Black Pride.

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ISLAND IN THE SUN Lady Phyll, below, is looking forward to being in St Lucia again

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