Arkansas Democrat-Gazette

Leaked Trump transcript­s add to internatio­nal mistrust, ex-officials warn

- MATTHEW PENNINGTON Informatio­n for this article was contribute­d by Bradley Klapper of The Associated Press.

WASHINGTON — Leaked transcript­s of presidenti­al calls aren’t just embarrassi­ng to President Donald Trump. They could undermine faith in Washington’s ability to protect confidenti­al conversati­ons and intelligen­ce, and have a chilling effect on American diplomacy, some experts say.

In the latest sign of a U.S. administra­tion that can’t keep a lid on its private deliberati­ons, The Washington Post last week published a written record of phone conversati­ons between Trump and the leaders of Mexico and Australia. The talks took place soon after Trump’s January inaugurati­on.

Such leaks have angered Trump. On Friday, Attorney General Jeff Sessions pledged to rein in government leaks that he blamed for jeopardizi­ng American security, after being called weak on leaks by Trump. And White House adviser Kellyanne Conway raised the possibilit­y of lie detector tests for the small number of people in the West Wing and elsewhere with access to transcript­s of Trump’s phone calls.

Experts and former U.S. officials also warn the leaks could add to mistrust among internatio­nal partners grappling with Trump’s unconventi­onal approach to foreign policy, which includes at least one high-profile case of the U.S. president sharing the sensitive intelligen­ce from a foreign ally. The cumulative effect may be to hurt Washington’s leadership in world affairs.

“The risk is that our foreign counterpar­ts no longer believe we are capable of keeping conversati­ons, or even their intelligen­ce, private,” said Jon Finer, who was Secretary of State John Kerry’s chief of staff during President Barack Obama’s second term. “This is not just embarrassi­ng to the president. It is bad for the country, since cooperatio­n on issues like terrorism is essential to our security.”

The transcript­s broadly confirm what was reported at the time about Trump’s tough conversati­ons with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto and Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull. But they offered new detail and laid bare the U.S. president’s preoccupat­ion about how he is viewed at home, even when speaking to the leader of a foreign government.

Trump urged Pena Nieto to stop saying his country won’t pay for the wall along the southern U.S. border, which Trump promised would happen during his campaign for the presidency. The two leaders agreed to stop talking about the subject in public.

With Turnbull, Trump objected strongly to a refugee deal he inherited for the U.S. to accept asylum seekers who had been trying to reach Australia. Trump complained the deal made him look bad and reported having had a more pleasant conversati­on with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The comment was particular­ly stark given the depth of U.S.-Australian cooperatio­n on diplomacy, defense and intelligen­ce matters, compared with severe distrust between Washington and Moscow.

Mark Fitzpatric­k at the Internatio­nal Institute for Strategic Studies noted that WikiLeaks’ mass publicatio­n of U.S. cables “already blew away the presumptio­n that diplomatic conversati­ons would be held in confidence. But this latest episode makes the problem worse.”

“If you need to talk about something highly sensitive, have an in-person conversati­on with minimal amount of folks in the room,” said Anthony Clark Arend, professor of government and foreign service at Georgetown University.

“Do not have a phone conversati­on with the president,” he said.

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