Giuliani keeps asking Trump to pay up
But ex-president so far declining to cover lawyer’s legal bills
Rudy Giuliani is running out of money and looking to collect from a longtime client who has yet to pay: former president Donald Trump.
To recover the millions of dollars he believes he is owed for his efforts to keep Trump in power, Giuliani first deferred to his lawyer, who pressed anyone in Trump’s circle who would listen.
When that fizzled out, Giuliani and his lawyer made personal appeals to Trump over a two-hour dinner in April at his Mar-a-Lago estate, in Florida, and in a private meeting at his golf club in West Palm Beach.
When those entreaties largely failed as well, Giuliani’s son, Andrew, who has an independent relationship with the former president, visited Trump at his club in New Jersey this month, with what people briefed on the meeting said was the hope of getting his father’s huge legal bills covered.
That appeared to help. Giuliani’s son asked that Trump attend two fundraisers for the legal bills, and the former president agreed to do so, the people said.
Still, for the better part of a year, as Giuliani has racked up the bills battling an array of criminal investigations, private lawsuits, and legal disciplinary proceedings stemming from his bid to keep Trump in office after the 2020 election, his team has repeatedly sought a lifeline from the former president, according to several people close to him. And even as the bills have pushed Giuliani close to a financial breaking point, Trump has largely demurred, the people said, despite making a vague promise during their dinner at Mar-a-Lago to pay up.
Giuliani, 79, who was criminally charged alongside Trump this week in an election conspiracy case in Georgia, is currently sitting on what one person familiar with his financial situation says is nearly $3 million in legal expenses. And that is before accounting for any money that Giuliani, a former mayor of New York City, might be owed for his work conducted after Election Day on Trump’s behalf.
Trump’s political action committee, which has doled out roughly $21 million on legal fees primarily for Trump but also for a number of people connected to investigations into him, has so far covered only $340,000 for Giuliani, a payment made in May.
A spokesperson for Trump did not respond to a request for comment, nor did a spokesperson for Giuliani.
Giuliani, whose law license has been suspended because of his work to overturn the election, has few sources of income left, according to people close to him.
He earns roughly $400,000 a year from his WABC radio show, according to a person familiar with the matter. He also gets some income from a podcast he hosts, and, according to another person, a livestream broadcast. The three cash streams are nowhere near enough to cover his debts, people close to him say. A legal-defense fund set up by friends to raise $5 million for him in 2021 took down its website after raising less than $10,000.
In the past, Trump has entered dangerous territory by not paying an associate’s legal bills when the case is connected to him, most notably with his former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, who has become a chief antagonist and star witness against him. But people close to both Trump and Giuliani take it as an article of faith that the former mayor would never cooperate with investigators in any meaningful way against the former president.
Among those who remain close to Giuliani, there is bafflement, concern, and frustration that the former mayor, who encouraged Trump to declare victory on election night before all the votes were counted, has received little financial help.
Bernard Kerik, a former New York City police commissioner under Giuliani, who worked with the former mayor trying to identify evidence of fraud and who remains a supporter of Trump, puts the fault on people around the former president. Kerik was pardoned by Trump after pleading guilty to tax fraud and having lied to White House officials when George W. Bush nominated him to be secretary of the Homeland Security Department.
“I know the president is surrounded by a number of people that despised Giuliani even before the election, more so after the election, for his loyalty to the president and for their relationship,” Kerik said. “It’s always been a point of contention for a number of people who I personally think didn’t serve the president well in the first place.”
Kerik added: “Where is everybody? Where’s the campaign?”
But, even as Kerik and others have blamed Trump’s inner circle for the lack of payments, the decision, as several people familiar with the matter noted, was always the former president’s.
Trump has never explicitly told Giuliani why he is effectively stiffing him, but the former president has pointed out that he lost the cases related to the election. That has been consistent with what Trump told aides shortly after Election Day, when an associate of Giuliani’s, Maria Ryan, asked the campaign in an email for $20,000 a day to pay for the former mayor’s work.
People close to the former mayor argue he was working not strictly on lawsuits but also on research and efforts to keep state legislatures from certifying results Giuliani insisted were false. But Trump told aides he didn’t want Giuliani to receive “a dime” unless he succeeded. Some of Giuliani’s expenses were eventually paid, but only after Trump personally approved the money.
The effort to collect legal fees from Trump began in earnest more than two years ago. Giuliani’s main lawyer, Robert Costello, started calling people in Trump’s orbit, making the case that the former president was on the hook for legal fees Giuliani incurred because of his work for Trump.
This past spring, Giuliani reached out to Trump directly and asked to meet, the people said. Trump agreed, and in late April, they met at Trump’s golf club in West Palm Beach.
The meeting was pleasant, and lasted more than an hour, a person familiar with the meeting said. But Trump, who was accompanied by one of his Florida attorneys, was noncommittal.
Yet he agreed to meet them again, two days later, at his private club, Mara-Lago, a meeting previously reported by CNN. Over a nearly two-hour dinner, Costello pressed Trump not only to cover Giuliani’s legal bills but to pay him for the work Giuliani provided Trump in the wake of the 2020 election.
Trump resisted, noting that Giuliani did not win any of those cases. Costello, who did most of the talking for Giuliani, said the money was not coming out of Trump’s own pocket but, rather, the coffers of his PAC. By the end of dinner, Trump agreed that Giuliani would be paid, one person said. But in the weeks that followed, neither he nor the PAC delivered.
‘Where is everybody? Where’s the campaign?’
BERNARD KERIK, former NYC police commissioner and political ally of Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump