Chicago Tribune (Sunday)

Janelle James loves being a bad boss

Ava ‘controlled chaos’ on ‘Abbott Elementary,’ comedian says

- By Julia Carmel

Janelle James had no desire to be a TV actor. For years, she was content building a career in stand-up, landing the occasional writing gig or minor on-screen role.

But as any good comedian knows, timing is everything. So when the chance arrived to be in ABC comedy “Abbott Elementary” — her first regular TV role and, by most measures, the show’s funniest — it helped that she was ready for something new and had already spent a decade in the trenches. Turns out, it’s easier doing TV comedy if you’re already a proven comedian.

“Half of being a comedian is knowing how to pace a joke, how to say it, so someone else could be given the same lines, and it won’t be as funny,” she said in a recent interview. Of course, having great writers in this case was paramount, she said; her typically improvisat­ional style wasn’t always fit for family viewing.

“I’m not used to speaking in network TV terms yet,” she added — many of her best ad-libs were still somewhere on the cutting room floor. “Maybe next year.”

Created by and starring Quinta Brunson, “Abbott Elementary” has been this season’s breakout network sitcom, a timely mockumenta­ry-style show about a group of dedicated teachers at an overcrowde­d, underfunde­d public school in Philadelph­ia. Praised for its humor and poignancy, the show was an instant success, its December premiere having drawn more than 7 million viewers across all platforms (including Hulu) in the first month. Many series face uncertain fates heading into season’s end. ABC ordered a second season of “Abbott Elementary” almost a month before its recently aired finale.

The show has also made James a breakout star. Amid school closures, teacher strikes and school board fisticuffs, her character, Ava Coleman — the school’s principal and the show’s comedic foil — put a humorous face on the frustratio­ns of millions. And Ava aligned well with James’ impish and irreverent style. Whereas Brunson’s character, Janine Teagues, is selflessly devoted to her students, Ava is gleefully incompeten­t, ethically challenged and has a passion for TikTok and doomsday prepping.

This interview with James has been edited for clarity and length.

Q: What about this script appealed to you? A:

It was funny. I’m a comedian, so that appeals to me, and if I were to act, I didn’t necessaril­y want my first role to be a dramatic crying role. So I was like, ‘Oh, comedy, I can do that.’ And it was hilarious, which is hard for a script to be.

Q: How would you describe Ava? A:

Ava is controlled chaos. Basically, she is someone who’s fashionabl­e. She is an opportunis­t. She lives in a moment. This sounds like my dating profile or something. But she is funny; she’s unaware; she’s dedicated to Ava.

Q: What do you think she brings to the show’s dynamic?

A: She’s someone for all the other characters to play opposite against. Everyone else has the kids and the school’s best interests at heart, and I do not. So I create the problems. Janine also creates problems — basically by caring too much. I create problems by not caring enough.

Q: Who inspired you as you were creating this lovable villain persona? A:

I wasn’t necessaril­y thinking of a specific person. I think in the pilot, I was more calculated; when she calls the meeting to basically dress down Janine in front of everyone else, that’s a very specific type of person who does stuff like that. I was specifical­ly thinking about a previous boss that I had who would do what I call toxic positivity, where she’s saying things with a smile on her face that are horrible. And then after that, I’m basically doing a combinatio­n of a couple of my aunts and some of myself, of course.

Q: I think one of the surprising things about Ava is that she’s revealed to be a doomsday prepper. Where did that come from? A:

That comes from our excellent writers. I mean, it lends to how chaotic she is in that she has all these interests and separate personalit­ies that just come out of nowhere. It is like, oh, she’s a doomsday prepper; she’s into “X-Men”; she’s a clothes hound. She’s all over the place, and I like that. You never know what she’s going to say or do or what she’s into.

Q: Do you think someone that online and disconnect­ed from working hard would actually want to survive the apocalypse?

A: I feel like it’s a mix of ego — anyone who thinks they could survive the apocalypse is super egotistica­l. You know what I mean? As soon as she can’t get a nail appointmen­t, she’s going to take herself out. But she maybe wants to live the first couple of days in luxury, before she gives up in her bunker. But, yeah, she doesn’t have a real idea of what the end times are. She thinks she’s going to stay in her bunker and watch “Housewives” … and have her beauty products and then emerge when things are over.

Q: What are your hopes for Ava next season? A:

I mean, you know, new wardrobe, of course — don’t want to repeat. But I don’t really have any hopes for her because I think she’s perfect. Like, it’s all good. More of the same or more … I don’t even want to say funnier because she’s hilarious. More high-level high jinks — maybe she could take her scamming outside the school, or, you know, do bigger scams. More blackmail. More chaos. That’s what I hope for Ava.

Q: What else do you hope to work on in the future? A:

Just more comedies. I’d like to act more. But I’m very picky about the things I involve myself in. When I took this, I told Quinta I had been waiting on her because a lot of (stuff ) is corny, and I have a reputation. So I’m hoping to work on more non-corny production­s. “Abbott” has really spoiled me for working anywhere else, so it better be good. I’m also going to be back on the road, doing stand-up, and I hope to sell out for the first time. It’s very hard, no matter how popular you are, for a female comic to sell out their dates. And this is something that comics and club owners talk about all the time. Like, it really isn’t a matter of how funny you are; people are just less likely to take a chance on an unknown female comic. So now that I’m more known, I’m hoping that people will come out and enjoy me as Janelle James as well.

 ?? KENDALL BESSENT/THE NEW YORK TIMES ?? Janelle James, who is seen April 1 in New York, portrays Principal Ava Coleman on “Abbott Elementary,” a mockumenta­ry-style sitcom on ABC.
KENDALL BESSENT/THE NEW YORK TIMES Janelle James, who is seen April 1 in New York, portrays Principal Ava Coleman on “Abbott Elementary,” a mockumenta­ry-style sitcom on ABC.

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