Super Duty LE
THE WAIT IS OVER, AS GEISSELE BREAKS INTO THE AR MARKET WITH A HIGH QUALITY, HIGHLY ACCURATE CARBINE
When will Geissele build and release a complete weapon system? The answer to that question is — now.
Irecently returned from North Wales, Pennsylvania, where I was fortunate enough to have spent the day with the team at Geissele Automatics.
The day consisted of running around the shop, talking about gear and products, and, of course, discussing a new item that people have been waiting to see Geissele Automatics produce. While in the shop, I was able to put my hands on a new carbine that is produced and will be sold by Geissele Automatics. This new carbine, given the name Super Duty, is simply an amazing weapon system.
START OF THE DAY
Spending time with Bill Geissele and his team at Geissele Automatics is always a high point of a trip back to the eastern part of the United States. This trip was filled with a little more anticipation, as I had been given the heads-up that I would be one of the first to see and shoot their newly built carbine.
Having the opportunity to sit down with Bill and Diego Muya and talk in-depth about this project was nothing short of amazing. I was able to gain insight into this weapon system, and I was also able to understand all of the thoughts and processes that went into this soon-to-be-onthe-market carbine. To say I am impressed is an absolute understatement.
Shortly after arriving at the Geissele Automatics shop I was taken into their assembly room. It was here that I was able to get my hands on two different Super Duty weapon systems. One in semi-automatic will be sold as the
Super Duty LE and the other, Super Duty, is a select-fire weapon and will be marketed more toward other customers who will need the fully automatic capabilities. Both are very similar, function flawlessly and deliver absolute reliability round after round.
During the conversation, Bill walked me through the Super Duty weapons, but we mostly focused on the Super Duty LE version. From the business end all the way back to the buttstock, Bill went through each and every component, getting down to types of materials used for every item on the weapon. This is something that intrigues me because I can find out why certain materials were used over other materials.
Coming from an engineering background, Bill explained the materials and parts with his encyclopedic knowledge of weapons and what makes them function like a sewing machine. I truly could sit for days on end and listen to Bill talk about weapons of all kinds. But today, we were primarily focused on the Super Duty line of weapons. Now, we’ll run you through it.
At the muzzle end of the Super Duty LE, it starts off with the standard A2 flash hider that sits at the end of Geissele’s own chrome-lined, chrome-moly vanadium barrel. This is not a standard profile barrel; rather Geissele calls it their medium-profile barrel. When you look at it, you’ll see that there is a constant taper on this barrel that leads to the gas block. Bill explained that this type of barrel is lighter than a standard M4 profile barrel, and it is optimized with weight versus stiffness.
Bill also explained that manufacturing a barrel with a straight taper offers the weight reduction without having to flute the barrel. While talking about fluting, Bill also spoke about how some military armorers consider a non-fluted to be more accurate than a fluted barrel. I definitely felt the weight of this medium-profile barrel
when handling and shooting this weapon.
Working our way back down the barrel, the Super Duty LE comes with their nitrided Super Gas Block that is set pretty much in stone. It is both pinned and dimpled, which offers a triple method of securing the gas block to the barrel.
The gas block sits over a gas port that is considered intermediate in length. This intermediate length gas system is right between mid-length and rifle-length. Ultimately, the shooter gets a much softer type recoil impulse with this intermediate length gas system. In going with the intermediate length gas system, Bill stated they could have gone out longer to a rifle-length system, but he said by doing that it would not support all types of ammunition.
Bill also talked with me about having to use this system in extreme temperatures. Think about Alaska and some of our northern states; they might reach 40 degrees below zero, and that is where Bill wanted to make sure his Super Duty LE would run. Bill has worked in the mining industry at these temperatures and knows that law enforcement needs to be able to operate and conduct their jobs with the best possible equipment available, hence the reason for this weapon system being able to operate down to -40°. Having shot this weapon, I can attest to how flat the Super Duty LE shoots, but I will explain more of that later.
Still working with the barrel, the Super Duty LE has a new style barrel extension. This extension has a new ramp angle, and it is able to accommodate all kinds of different ammunition, which includes the new M855A1. In high-speed testing, they are able to see that the round coming off of the magazine launches into the barrel straighter, which aids in the function of the weapon. The barrel extension also has a different chamber, which allows just about any type of ammunition and bullet type to be used in this carbine. This is very interesting, and I am glad to see this, as every agency seems to use different ammunition. Being able to go from one ammunition type to another is helpful in the law enforcement world.
Covering the barrel, gas tube and Super Gas Block is an ALG Defense V2 Rail that has been appropriated from ALG Defense for the use on this weapon system. It is 13-¾ inches in length and comes to the end of the gas block. Bill and his team chose this rail, as it is long enough to use over barricades, shooting over a hood or from the side of a building — and you can still remain with cover on your side with maximum stability from this rail.
The V2 rail is capable of accepting M-LOK type devices, and it is configured with the small Picatinny rail out front. The Geissele team
“Both are very similar, function flawlessly and deliver absolute reliability round after round.”
decided to use this rail as it was small and minimal, and they felt that people using this weapon would likely not be throwing all types of different laser aiming devices or other items not used in the law enforcement world.
Something that really stood out to me are the machined-out areas up front that are coated in blue. This was Bill’s thank you to the law enforcement community.
The barrel is mated to a well-built upper that is machined from 7075-T6 aluminum. It is Type III hard-coat anodized and will take a beating. The weapon I worked with has the Geissele Super Charging Handle installed, but the final version may be fitted with the Airborne Charging Handle. Looking into the upper, the bolt carrier assembly is the Geissele Hybrid REK (Reliability Enhancement Kit). The bolt carrier assembly has their famous extended rails that add to the smoothness and reliability of their weapons. The bolt carrier is Nanoweapon coated, as is the gas carrier key. Nanoweapon coating is an extremely long PECVD process used only by Geissele that coats weapon materials to a point where they are extremely hard and will cut through dirt and fouling, which translates into weapons parts that do not get beat up like other materials that are used in weapons manufacturing.
The bolt itself is an M4 carbine phosphated bolt that is mated to the bolt carrier assembly. Geissele has fitted this bolt with the current and latest mil-spec, copper-plated extractor spring, but they also added an O-ring over the copper spring. This O-ring not only increases the force of the extractor tension, but it is also extremely reliable and will not fail at extreme cold temperatures. Remember, 40° below zero.
A couple other parts in the bolt carrier assembly are the standard cam pin, and Geissele is using a firing pin that they believe is machined correctly and falls within the specs of the M4 family of weapons.
Moving on to the lower, the Super Duty LE will be using the Advanced Combat Trigger, by ALG Defense. This trigger meets mil-spec and it is not lighter by any means, but it brings the trigger
weight down to the bottom end of trigger specs. This is a single-stage trigger that is simply amazing when pressing and resetting. For law enforcement use, this trigger will be a perfect addition to this amazing carbine.
Something new and interesting on the Super Duty LE is the Geissele Posi-lock selector. What is interesting about this is the positive engagement when coming out of safe and onto fire or going back from fire to safe. The Posi-lock selector will not allow the selector to remain in between fire and safe, and the selector will be ambidextrous with a large lever on the left and a shorter lever on the right side of the lower. What makes the movement so positive is the steel used for the selector detent and a high-power detent spring. The detent is made in-house, out of a specific steel and hardened to 60 Rockwell. This detent will not gall, chip or become softer as you use this selector.
Geissele wanted to make sure this weapon left their factory ready to be used. Add a little bit of lubrication, some ammunition and head out to the range. That being said, they looked at front and rear sights and decided to build these in-house as well. The end-user will have a few different options when it comes to the sighting system, again all made in-house, but the options will be left up to the buyer. You will be able to choose between a fixed front and rear, folding front and rear or any combination of folding or fixed sights. These sights are made of aircraft-quality aluminum and will not be sold or offered outside of completed guns, as they are specifically for this system right now.
The rear sight is similar to an old A1 sight system. You must have a tool or the end of a sharp bullet point to move the aperture, but once your zero is set, it will not move. The rear sight is fitted with a .072-inch aperture that will not restrict law enforcement in low light or be an issue with aging eyes. The front sight will be similar to an A2 front sight and again, will be available as a fixed front sight or a foldable front sight.
Coming back down to the lower, the Super
Duty LE uses the Super 42 action spring and an H1 buffer. These two items, when used in conjunction with the Nanoweapon-coated bolt carrier assembly, make for an extremely smooth and straight recoil. When shooting this weapon, I noticed very little movement, both with the weapon coming straight back or the muzzle rising. These parts function extremely well together and give very slight recoil with the shooter.
The furniture used for the Super Duty LE will be the standard A2 grip, and it will most likely be fitted with a B5 SOPMOD stock. The team at Geissele is still checking around with different law enforcement agencies throughout the United States to see what the most common carrier system is in use today. Geissele does not want to send out a stock on a weapon that will not fit in most vehicle gun mounts. Very thoughtful of Geissele to go to this added length to make sure end users get a gun that is ready to go from the moment it is placed in their hands.
Just handling this weapon in the shop, I was beyond impressed. From picking it up and feeling the weight, to shouldering this system with an optic, to just moving into a couple of different positions … the Super Duty LE fitted me perfectly. To say I could not wait until we got to the range was an understatement. Within a couple of hours of being inside the shop at Geissele, we hopped in the truck and drove east to one of the ranges they use for testing.
After about an hour and a half of driving through some beautifully scenic roads, we arrived high atop a mountain and settled on the Geissele
Rifle Range. The completely covered shooting area has targets starting at 50 yards and going all the way out to 200. We quickly unloaded the Super Duty and the Super Duty LE and started loading magazines with M855 ammunition. Once the magazines were loaded, we added a little bit of Geissele Go-juice, quickly zeroed the weapons and started shooting.
I began with the Super Duty LE in my hands, shooting nice groups on steel. I was immediately in awe of the recoil impulse and the extremely light recoil of this carbine. This was my first time shooting a weapon with an intermediate-length gas system, and I was very impressed.
Moving on from my original spot at 50 yards, I began shooting all the way out to a man-sized silhouette at 200 yards, stopping at 75 yards, 100 yards and 150 yards. Everything I aimed at on this afternoon was hit. The Advanced Combat Trigger performed flawlessly, recoil was simple and beyond manageable. When I started shooting two, three and four rounds in rapid secession and hitting at 200 yards repeatedly, I was even more impressed with the weapon and the gas system that helped me keep my sights on target.
I was able to heat up the barrel on the Geissele Super Duty LE quite a bit, but it never faltered while in my hands. Standing, kneeling and off the bench, the weapon system just ran and ran. There were no issues, and it was a pleasure to have up against my shoulder. After I fed quite a few magazines through the Super Duty LE, I gave it a break to let it cool and to give the others on the range a chance to shoot this weapon.
Moving to the Super Duty (select fire) carbine, I picked this up and was equally impressed with the weapon in my hands. It is 14-½ inches, and the recoil on the Super Duty was only slightly different than the Super Duty LE. With just a little bit of attention to your grip and stance, doing a full magazine dump with the Super Duty leaves the muzzle steady and not rising at all.
The Super Duty has all of the qualities of the Super Duty LE, but it can be configured a bit differently and built for the end user’s needs. There will be different barrel length options, different rail options and perhaps a few other items of significance that will make the Super Duty more amenable to a high-round count user.
This weapon also performed flawlessly and had me smiling from ear to ear after each empty magazine was ejected from the weapon. Working with the Super Duty and feeling the ergonomics of the MK16 rail system makes the
weapon feel like an extension of your arms and hands.
Accuracy with the Super Duty was just as it was with the Super Duty LE. Every target I sighted in on and did my part with grip, stance and pressing the trigger gave the resounding thud of a bullet hitting steel. Out to 200 yards was not a problem with the Super Duty.
As soon as the red dot of the Aimpoint T1 found center, I pressed the Geissele SSF-X trigger and that started the cycle of operation that ultimately ended with the 62-grain bullet meeting hardened steel. This weapon system will be a home run amongst those folks looking for an incredibly well-built weapon system that can be had with a little customization.
After putting numerous magazines worth of ammunition through both weapon systems, our day on the range had to come to a close. We packed everything up and headed back down the mountain toward the Geissele Automatics shop.
Sitting down and talking with Bill and Diego about all types of things weapons related, I was able to hear something incredible about the Super Duty LE and Bill’s mindset about building this weapon. When asked specifically about the pricing and what went into the Super Duty LE, Bill said, “What I tried to do is give the police officer as much technology as we give to the U.S. military with our guns at a price point of $750. Our goal is to support the police officer.”
This is incredible. What a heartfelt gesture to support the “blue family,” especially with their engineering and insight into weapons manufacturing. The team at Geissele is doing what they can to get the best gun at the best price point out there.
As I mentioned earlier in the article, I could sit and talk with both Bill and Diego for hours and hours about all things weapons related. But at some point, our day had to come to an end, and it did so after I gathered up as much insight as I could on these two weapons.
Be on the lookout for these weapons to hit soon and to make a massive impact with the end users. Geissele Automatics is known for quality, reliability and building parts and weapons that are mission specific. These weapons absolutely fit this narrative. Another amazing job by the Geissele Automatics team.
“I was immediately in awe of the recoil impulse and the extremely light recoil of this carbine.”
Like the lawman’s six-shooter, a tool of days gone by, the Super Duty LE is up to the task.
After a magazine change, the increased surface area of the bolt catch promotes ease of function when locking back the bolt or releasing the bolt.
OPPOSITE: The thin-blue line will be a feature on every Super Duty LE carbine. It symbolizes Geissele’s commitment to supporting law enforcement officers. BELOW: The Geissele Posi-lock ambidextrous safety selector offers strong tactile feedback to the operator as it engages. There is no doubt you’ve engaged fire mode or put your weapon on safe.
The unique prototype serial number denotes many trips to the proving grounds, performing tasks in all weather.
The author, who works for a California-based law enforcement agency, said he got the rundown on each and every component, including the types of materials used for every item.