Los Angeles Times

What happens when Trump fires Robert Mueller?

- By Harry Litman Harry Litman, a former United States attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, teaches at UCLA Law School and practices law at Constantin­e Cannon.

Astrange quiet has settled in at the White House. President Trump greeted Robert Mueller’s appointmen­t as special counsel in charge of the Russia investigat­ion with a steady stream of diatribes, including some 40 bilious tweets. He challenged Mueller’s impartiali­ty and called the investigat­ion a “witch hunt.” But for nearly two months, Trump has restrained himself on the subject. His lawyers, meanwhile, have treated Mueller with customary deference.

The lawyers have accomplish­ed what 16 Republican candidates, beauty pageant contestant­s, military heroes and a federal judge could not: They have muzzled Donald Trump. How long can it last? The president’s newfound reserve is certainly a smarter policy, and the one that white-collar lawyers routinely order their clients to follow. It’s not just a matter of avoiding antagonizi­ng the prosecutor who holds the power to bring charges against you; every tweet can come back to bite you at trial, where skillful prosecutor­s can mine small inconsiste­ncies.

But there’s no doubt that the Mueller investigat­ion continues to rankle. Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon argued in a recent “60 Minutes” interview that the firing of former FBI Director James Comey, which resulted in Mueller’s appointmen­t, was one of the worst mistakes in modern political history. "I don't think there's any doubt that if James Comey had not been fired,” Bannon opined “[w]e would not have the Mueller investigat­ion and the breadth that clearly Mr. Mueller is going for."

The recent report that Trump savaged Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions when he learned of Mueller’s appointmen­t — calling him an “idiot” and telling him he should resign — brings home the president’s extreme fear and loathing of the Russia investigat­ion.

Which spurs three questions: 1) Will Trump one day try to oust Mueller? 2) If he does, will he get away with it? and 3) What consequenc­es would that have for our political culture?

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Here’s predicting flat out that yes, at some point Trump will try to oust Mueller.

As the probe advances, the likelihood increases that Mueller will uncover evidence of a serious offense by Trump. With the recent search of former campaign manager Paul Manafort’s home, Mueller has shown his willingnes­s to follow the money trail aggressive­ly. (The latest reports suggest that Mueller’s team is planning to indict Manafort for possible tax and financial crimes.) And Mueller has begun to negotiate interviews with up to a dozen White House aides as well as former White House officials. Trump likely fears that Mueller will zero in on something sleazy or criminal whose revelation could cripple his presidency. Each turn of the screw of the Mueller investigat­ion — and there will be many — increases the pressure on Trump to act preemptive­ly.

The odds also seem great that the erratic, power-consumed and thin-skinned Trump, who every week launches a new Twitter attack on a real or imagined enemy, will be unable to stay his hand month after month as the Mueller investigat­ion unfolds. Like the fabled scorpion who stings the frog even though it dooms him, Trump, being Trump, won’t be able to endure domination by Mueller over the long term. Of course, Trump likely fails to appre- ciate that it is not Mueller personally, but the law, that is asserting its dominance. Let’s say Trump snaps. To fire Mueller, Trump would need to order Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein to remove him. But Rosenstein, a career prosecutor with a strong dedication to the values of the Department of Justice, would likely resign his office rather than comply with the order, as would the department’s third-ranking official, Rachel Brand.

Eventually Trump, moving down the hierarchy, would find someone willing to fire Mueller (as Nixon found Robert Bork, the then-solicitor general, to fire Archibald Cox).

From there, Mueller could launch a legal challenge to the ouster (potentiall­y with the support of the Department of Justice). It’s by no means clear that Mueller, an exMarine of legendary rectitude, would choose to sue. Assuming he did, though, he would need to overcome a series of constituti­onal arguments by the president’s lawyers that any restrictio­ns on the president’s ability to terminate him would impinge on presidenti­al power under Article II.

In any event, any pushback from the courts would likely be procedural and incrementa­l. Only Congress is positioned to pass broad judgment on Trump. But a congressio­nal response — for example, a statute to create an independen­t counsel — would be tempered by political compromise, and would have to withstand a presidenti­al veto. In particular, it’s hard to envision a scenario in which Congress successful­ly forced Trump to reinstate Mueller.

As for a more definitive rebuke such as impeachmen­t, for now it is a barely conceivabl­e fantasy. Even if Democrats were to gain control of the House in the 2018 elections, chances are remote that Democrats in the Senate would be able to muster the 67 votes needed to convict and remove. The trial would be a sort of opéra bouffe with Trump at the center at his most melodramat­ic. And when Trump is acquitted, he will find a cheap salesman’s way to declare victory, to the exasperati­on of his critics.

Impeachmen­t without removal, then, looks to be the worst-case scenario for Trump. He’ll still get away with firing Mueller, but expect him not to run for a second term. Expect him also to be a fixture on, and probably atop, lists of the nation’s worst presidents.

Still, once Trump is out of office, and assuming he hasn’t left visible wreckage beyond an ousted independen­t counsel, can we then count ourselves lucky and move on from the misadventu­re?

Hardly. The difference between robust societies such as the U.S. and United Kingdom and autocratic ones such as Turkey and Russia is not the degree of formal constituti­onal protection­s. Russia’s Constituti­on purports to protect and empower its citizens every bit as much as ours. But weary experience leads Russian citizens to doubt that the law applies equally to all persons, or that political institutio­ns are strong enough to prevent despotism. The result is a deep social and political cynicism.

In the scenario outlined above, in which Trump faces, at the very worst, impeachmen­t without removal, he won’t have completely undone the norms, but he will have eroded them. His tenure will have moved the line of the conceivabl­e.

We think that autocratic interludes are impossible here; they will seem a bit less so after Trump. After Trump, it will seem to many a little less certain that the rule of law will win out even against the rich and powerful; that government is transparen­t; that the free press can hold elected officials accountabl­e; and that leaders cannot profit from government service. Restoring these assumption­s to their preTrump levels will take time and good fortune.

Impeachmen­t without removal, then, looks to be the worst-case scenario for Trump.

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Zina Saunders For The Times

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