Los Angeles Times

Mueller report may stay secret

It’s unclear how much of the probe’s findings will be made public.

- BY CHRIS MEGERIAN, DEL QUENTIN WILBER AND DAVID WILLMAN

WASHINGTON — Only a few blocks from the National Mall, amid a cluster of nondescrip­t buildings, more than a dozen prosecutor­s working for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III have followed an unusual routine as they toil away on the Russia investigat­ion.

When they leave the office at night, they often wonder if it could be their last day on the job, according to an attorney familiar with their work. Fearful that President Trump will try to shut down the sprawling criminal investigat­ion, they’ve been compiling and writing their conclusion­s as they go, the attorney said.

Even if Trump doesn’t try to fire Mueller and disband his team — something he’s threatened several times — the president’s lawyers have indicated they’ll try to keep the public from learning whatever the special counsel’s office has discovered. They’ve repeatedly said some informatio­n may be covered by executive privilege, the legal claim that

safeguards the confidenti­ality of a president’s private conversati­ons.

If Mueller tries to include in a final report details gleaned from White House documents or interviews with administra­tion officials, “we specifical­ly reserved our right to object,” said Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York City mayor who represents Trump.

The president pointedly refused on Thursday to say whether any report from Mueller should be made public, telling reporters, “We’ll have to see.”

It’s unclear exactly when Mueller’s investigat­ion will end, and the special counsel still has not secured the presidenti­al interview he’s been seeking for more than a year. Trump submitted some written answers shortly before Thanksgivi­ng; Giuliani said prosecutor­s’ subsequent request to ask more questions in writing and in person was refused before Christmas.

Since then, he said, there has been no communicat­ion with the special counsel’s office.

“There’s nothing much to talk to them about,” Giuliani said.

Recently, however, there have been indication­s the endgame could be drawing near. Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein, for example, has told associates he expects to step down shortly after the Senate confirms William P. Barr as the new attorney general. That could come within weeks; Barr’s confirmati­on hearings are scheduled to begin Tuesday. Rosenstein has been supervisin­g Mueller’s work and does not want to leave his post until the special counsel is wrapping up.

Whenever Mueller does finish his work, it will kick off a new phase in the legal and political fights over the Russia investigat­ion. The president’s legal team is preparing its own report rebutting whatever Mueller concludes; Trump tweeted last month that it had already finished 87 pages. Giuliani said how much is released depended on what the special counsel concluded.

“If they exonerate him,” he said, “we’ll just say congratula­tions.”

Meanwhile, emboldened Democrats who took control of the House of Representa­tives in the last election are laying the groundwork for their own investigat­ions and potentiall­y explosive public hearings.

Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer and fixer, is scheduled to testify before the House Oversight Committee on Feb. 7, a month before he begins a three-year prison sentence for a variety of crimes that include lying to Congress about a Moscow real estate deal that Trump sought while running for president.

Cohen also has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations involving hushmoney payments to women who said they had affairs with Trump, payments prosecutor­s said were directed by Trump himself.

The first battle could be over how much becomes public from Mueller’s investigat­ion, which focuses on ties between Trump’s campaign and Russia and whether the president obstructed justice.

The last time a special prosecutor’s report was so hotly anticipate­d, independen­t counsel Kenneth W. Starr provided a lengthy and salacious recounting of President Clinton’s affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

Starr, however, was operating under a different set of rules that no longer exists, and he was required to submit his conclusion­s directly to Congress. Under the rules governing Mueller’s investigat­ion, the special counsel only needs to provide the attorney general with a confidenti­al report explaining his decisions at the conclusion of the investigat­ion. The attorney general by then will probably be Barr, a longtime friend of Mueller’s, but also a Trump nominee who has expressed skepticism about aspects of the investigat­ion.

That doesn’t mean Mueller’s findings won’t be released in some form. Prosecutor­s could explain more of their case in additional indictment­s — 33 people have already faced charges or pleaded guilty, and court filings have often included extensive details. They could also ask the grand jury to issue its own report.

In addition, the attorney general is required to notify Congress if he overrules any decisions by the special counsel, such as a request to issue particular subpoenas and indictment­s. And the attorney general can “determine that public release of these reports would be in the public interest.”

Democratic congressio­nal leaders have already made clear they will demand that the report be turned over to them.

“Bottom line: the President can try to hide the Mueller Report. He will lose to the public’s right to know,” tweeted Neal Katyal, who served as solicitor general under President Obama and wrote the current special counsel regulation­s.

If the report is destined to become public, there will also be fights over what is included. Intelligen­ce agencies may want to redact sensitive informatio­n involving communicat­ions intercepts or overseas sources.

Trump’s lawyers are prepared to argue that executive privilege will require additional redactions. The potential clash is rooted in the early days of the special counsel investigat­ion, when the White House voluntaril­y agreed to turn over thousands of pages of documents and make officials available for voluntary interviews.

By doing that, Mueller received faster access to the facts he was seeking, while the president’s lawyers said they maintained their right to claim executive privilege down the road. They argue that, since Mueller is technicall­y part of the executive branch, they can still fight the release of informatio­n to Congress or the public.

“Just because a document goes from the White House to the Justice Department does not mean privilege doesn’t stay attached,” said Jim Schultz, former deputy counsel in Trump’s White House who now works at the Cozen O’Connor law firm in Philadelph­ia and Washington.

A claim of executive privilege could have the biggest impact on the public’s ability to learn about Mueller’s investigat­ion into possible obstructio­n, since many events under scrutiny happened after Trump took office.

Blocking the release of a report, however, could cause a political uproar that would be counterpro­ductive for Trump.

“It’s very complicate­d for the president to fight the release of the report,” said Anne Milgram, a former federal prosecutor and New Jersey attorney general who is now a New York University law professor. “If it vindicated him, why wouldn’t he let it out?

“If the report doesn’t go public,” she added, “the president can’t put this behind him.”

Mueller has not said anything publicly about how he plans to conclude his investigat­ion or when that could happen. His silence has created a guessing game about the probe’s timeline; many of the rumored due dates have come and gone.

“I thought they would finish by the end of the summer,” Giuliani said. “And then I thought they would finish before the election. I can’t imagine what’s taking them so long.”

Ending the investigat­ion might mean Mueller has to accept that he won’t get to interview Trump himself. The president has not received a subpoena to force his testimony before a grand jury, Giuliani said.

So far, Trump has only answered written questions about events that took place before the election, meaning Mueller hasn’t had an opportunit­y to ask him about topics that could be relevant to an obstructio­n case.

“I’m really at a loss to determine why he hasn’t” subpoenaed Trump already, said Harry Litman, a UC law professor and former federal prosecutor. “It just doesn’t make sense to me.”

Although the president’s lawyers would undoubtedl­y fight a subpoena in court, “I think it’s really pretty clear [Mueller] would win,” Litman said.

But Robert S. Bennett, a former federal prosecutor who represente­d Clinton in a sexual harassment lawsuit by Paula Jones, an Arkansas state government employee, said Mueller probably didn’t need Trump’s testimony to finish his work.

“What is he going to get out of the president’s testimony that would really add to his analysis of the case?” Bennett said. “I don’t think there’s anything the president could tell him that would change his mind on whatever he’s finding.”

Proving that the president obstructed justice would require establishi­ng his thinking behind certain decisions and whether they were intended to influence the investigat­ion. But legal experts say ways exist to do that besides speaking to him, such as digging up memos or interviewi­ng his associates.

Paul Rosenzweig, who worked on the Starr investigat­ion and is now a senior fellow at the R Street Institute in Washington, said that if Mueller already had everything he needed, “an interview with the president is probably unnecessar­y.”

 ?? Saul Loeb AFP/Getty Images ?? RUDOLPH W. GIULIANI says the legal team would object to publicly releasing anything in the report that could be protected by executive privilege.
Saul Loeb AFP/Getty Images RUDOLPH W. GIULIANI says the legal team would object to publicly releasing anything in the report that could be protected by executive privilege.
 ?? Ting Shen New China News Agency ?? SPECIAL COUNSEL Robert S. Mueller III has said nothing about how or when he plans to conclude his investigat­ion, but there are indication­s it could be nearing an end. Trump’s team is already preparing a rebuttal.
Ting Shen New China News Agency SPECIAL COUNSEL Robert S. Mueller III has said nothing about how or when he plans to conclude his investigat­ion, but there are indication­s it could be nearing an end. Trump’s team is already preparing a rebuttal.

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