Los Angeles Times

A question of ‘patriotism’?

U.S.-China tech collaborat­ion draws a line in sand amid trade tensions

- By Alice Su

BEIJING — In July, billionair­e investor and entreprene­ur Peter Thiel called for an FBI and CIA investigat­ion of Google, saying the company was “treasonous” for allegedly working with the Chinese military instead of the U.S. military.

Thiel’s accusation­s were rejected by Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin, who said he and President Trump had met with Google CEO Sundar Pichai at the White House and found no evidence of Google working with the Chinese government or military.

Thiel has been criticized for trying to stoke U.S.China trade war tensions for his own business advantage. But his comments were also indicative of a changing landscape in U.S.-China tech collaborat­ion, as growing distrust between the two superpower­s causes American companies and institutio­ns to reconsider what safeguards should be in place to ensure that working with Chinese partners does not impinge on national security or human rights.

Several U.S. lawmakers — both Democrats and Republican­s — recently called for an examinatio­n of U.S. funding that enables Chinese government surveillan­ce of Muslim minorities in Xinjiang province. Scientists have been criticized for knowingly or unknowingl­y using Chinese data sets that draw on biometric data forcefully collected from minorities.

On the national security front, researcher­s who help China with applicatio­ns for artificial intelligen­ce have been accused of enabling Chinese military advancemen­t. Thiel, whose company Palantir works extensivel­y with the Department of Defense, says the “patriotic” thing to do is for tech to serve U.S. military interests.

But many experts and academics disagree. They say the risks of Chinese tech collaborat­ion are serious, but that ethical questions are better centered on standards of transparen­cy and consent than on notions of loyalty and patriotism. The most critical difference between the U.S. and Chinese systems, they say, is that American companies and individual­s have the freedom to choose whether they want to work with the government.

Framing tech in terms of “patriotism” is problemati­c, they say, because it suggests that companies or individual­s exercising that freedom to reject U.S. military partnershi­p are somehow unethical, when in fact they are demonstrat­ing a strength of the American system.

“It is important for individual­s to have recourse against what government asks us to do. That’s the most American thing I can think of,” said Kara Frederick, an analyst at the Washington, D.C.-based think tank Center for a New American Security who previously worked on a global security team at Facebook.

Democracy on its own is not a sufficient safeguard against privacy violations and misuse of data, as shown by the scandal involving data-mining firm Cambridge Analytica, which secretly harvested informatio­n acquired from Facebook and used it to inf luence the 2016 U.S. presidenti­al race. But at least the rule of law and protection of freedoms of speech can provide opportunit­y for debate and accountabi­lity, according to analysts.

Whether ethical standards can hold in U.S.-China tech collaborat­ion is even less certain because of China’s authoritar­ian political structure.

Palantir co-founder Joe Lonsdale has referred to these difference­s as a clash of “two very different cultures.” When Google supports AI research with Chinese universiti­es, it essentiall­y serves the Chinese government, he said in a CNBC interview, because “everything in China is the government.”

“If you work in China, you do work with the government,” Lonsdale said. “That’s how China works.”

Frederick agreed that tech companies should reexamine their Chinese research partnershi­ps. According to a National Intelligen­ce Law passed in 2017, the Chinese government can command any individual or organizati­on to hand over informatio­n and technology in the name of national security.

“You can’t just make something and naively believe that when you put it out into the world, people are always good and going to use it for good things,” Frederick said.

But it’s also oversimpli­fication to conflate Chinese people and institutio­ns with the Chinese government, or to label all collaborat­ion as treasonous support for the Chinese military, said Elsa Kania, a technology and security analyst at the Center for a New American Security.

“The fact that Google is working on AI in China doesn’t mean they’re supporting the Chinese military directly,” Kania said, adding that even many Chinese companies are not “excited to work with the military.”

“If you’re a company fiercely competing for commercial advantage, working with the [People’s Liberation Army] is not your best interest,” she said.

Chinese tech employees told The Times they rarely question ethical implicatio­ns of their work, but also that politics played a minimal role in their career decisions.

“It’s not like in the U.S., where people try to stay away from the government. Here, associatio­n with the government is somehow more honorable,” said Cathy, 26, an employee of a major tech company in Beijing who spoke on the condition of withholdin­g her full name to avoid any repercussi­ons from her employer.

Friends working for Huawei had thought of leaving because of the unhealthy overwork culture, she said, but changed their minds once Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou was detained in Canada at the U.S. government’s request.

“In a moment like that, they feel like what they’re doing is to some extent more worthwhile. You’re fighting for a bigger cause because you’re not only standing for the company but also for your country as a whole,” she said.

At the same time, Cathy said her career decisions were driven mostly by her goals for personal advancemen­t. “I wouldn’t work for a company just because it gets bullied abroad,” she said.

James, 27, an employee in a microchip assembly factory in Shenzhen who also asked that his full name be withheld, said many young Chinese are struggling just to find employment.

“What I care about day to day is whether the traffic is good, whether I have work, whether the city will be a bit more convenient,” he said. “You talk about politics for half an hour, what do you get from it? Everything is status quo.”

Most young Chinese tech workers don’t have the luxury of thinking about the ethics of who they work for, James said. It’s enough of an economic challenge for people to move to the big cities where major tech companies are located.

“If I could work in one of those big tech companies, I would be absolutely thrilled,” he said. “I would go to whichever company I can get into.”

In the U.S., thousands of employees of major companies have protested, some even resigning on ethical grounds — most pertinentl­y at Google, where employees protested Project Dragonf ly, the company’s plan to create a censored search engine for China, and Project Maven, a partnershi­p with the Department of Defense in AI that could be used for drone strikes.

Jack Poulson, an exGoogle researcher who resigned over Project Dragonfly and now runs a nonprofit promoting tech industry accountabi­lity, said that tech workers and academics should demand full transparen­cy on the human rights implicatio­ns of any project they’re tasked with.

“I don’t think it’s fair that just because you’re a tech company, you contribute to loss of life,” Poulson said. “As a civilian, you have the right not to contribute to any weapons system or any deprivatio­n of rights or safety.”

Thiel’s statement was framed as a warning about China but implied that tech workers should instead serve the U.S. military, Poulson said.

But tech ethics is not about tying tech to one or another country’s unchecked military interests, Frederick said.

“It’s not just a hard guns and drones and offensive situation. It’s a battle for how this tech is used, to help or hurt people,” she said. “We’re not going to use virtual scanning for specific minorities and religious groups. We need to say that.”

Huang Yasheng, an MIT professor who heads the business school’s China Lab, said that civil-military fusion should be “taken as a given” in China and treated with appropriat­e safeguards, but should not stop engagement.

“The way to advance AI is to make data bigger, which requires collaborat­ion and sharing,” Huang said, adding that involving Chinese scientists in discussion­s about ethics is a positive strategy.

“Maybe in the end, we decide to split. It’s like a divorce,” Huang said. “Do you go to divorce after a few instances of conflict, or to some intermedia­te step first?

“If the two countries split, that’s not a tech future that is good for humanity, because that would enable China to do even worse than they’re doing now. We should collaborat­e as a way to passively influence their behavior.”

 ?? Getty Images ?? PETER THIEL, a billionair­e investor and entreprene­ur, accused Google last month of being “treasonous” for allegedly working with the Chinese military and called for the FBI and CIA to investigat­e the company.
Getty Images PETER THIEL, a billionair­e investor and entreprene­ur, accused Google last month of being “treasonous” for allegedly working with the Chinese military and called for the FBI and CIA to investigat­e the company.
 ?? Andy Wong Associated Press ?? GOOGLE’S work on artificial intelligen­ce in China has drawn criticism in some circles. Above, visitors gather at a Google booth during a 2016 Beijing conference.
Andy Wong Associated Press GOOGLE’S work on artificial intelligen­ce in China has drawn criticism in some circles. Above, visitors gather at a Google booth during a 2016 Beijing conference.

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