Los Angeles Times

Podcast awards aim to matter

Some big players in podcasting hope new Ambies will avoid predecesso­rs’ pitfalls.

- By Matt Pearce

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On Sunday night in Los Angeles, the growing, ascendant but still-unruly podcast industry will livestream its most serious collective attempt at an awards ceremony. The Ambies, hosted in its inaugural run by comedian and podcaster Cameron Esposito, aspires to be for podcasts what the Emmys and the Oscars are for TV and movies: a recognitio­n of the industry’s best by the industry’s best and a guide for would-be fans who just want a recommenda­tion for something good.

The show is the brainchild of the newly created Podcast Academy, whose board of governors includes industry independen­ts as well as executives from heavy hitters such as Amazon, Spotify, iHeartMedi­a (which runs its own iHeartRadi­o podcast awards) and NPR, which also contribute­d funding. The Ambie trophy, a genderless figure in headphones holding up a microphone, has that heft associated with prestigiou­s awards and dangerous blunt weapons.

“We definitely wanted something that winners would feel proud displaying on their shelves,” said Hernan Lopez, founder and former CEO of Wondery, a Podcast Academy board member and the committee chair for the Ambies, after unboxing a trophy during an interview at a Soho Works conference room in West Hollywood. “It’s plated with gold.”

But these are troubled times for awards ceremo

nies. Ratings for the major televised awards shows are down. The Golden Globes’ host organizati­on, the Hollywood Foreign Press Assn., has been riddled with so many allegation­s of ethical impropriet­ies, unfairness and lack of racial representa­tion that NBC won’t even air the show in 2022. The Oscars ended in humiliatio­n this year when the ceremony shifted the final order of its awards to set up a potentiall­y climactic posthumous lead actor win by deceased “Black Panther” star Chadwick Boseman, only for the award to go to Anthony Hopkins, who was not present.

America loves to hate awards shows, especially when they go wrong, and they seem to go wrong a lot. Why create a new one?

The simplest explanatio­n is that the podcast industry has finally gotten big enough, prominent enough and prestigiou­s enough to risk the kind of trouble that can come with a big award show. It’s a marker not solely of industry maturity but of industry ambition.

“What we see in the research is that once people start listening to podcasts, they start listening to more and more, and they replace their radio listening experience. It’s just a matter of getting people exposed, and that’s what the Ambies can help with,” said Rob Greenlee, vice president of content and partnershi­ps for podcasting company Libsyn, and one of the academy’s founding members and its first chairperso­n.

Steve Wilson, chief strategy officer at podcasting company QCODE and one of the Podcast Academy’s nearly 1,000 members, said critical validation is a virtuous circle: “With that sort of mainstream credibilit­y comes consumer audience, and with audience comes revenue opportunit­ies for creators and revenue brings better and better content.”

After early conversati­ons in 2019, Lopez and other industry players started laying the groundwork for the awards and academy. Then came the unglamorou­s but critical work of organizati­on-building.

“I’m glad we launched the organizati­on in 2020, so we were able to start an organizati­on already knowing that diversity was something we need to address head-on,” Lopez said.

Most entertainm­ent consumers don’t spend their time worrying about the ways an awards show can go wrong on diversity and representa­tion. There are a lot. The board making the rules could be disproport­ionately white or male. The artists creating work deemed eligible could be disproport­ionately white or male. The judges who select nominees could be disproport­ionately white or male. The voters eligible to pick the winners could be disproport­ionately white or male. Add it all up, and the winner is...

The academy hired a diversity, equity and inclusion consultant before it even settled on a logo. Podcast consultant Rekha Murthy said the group was “intentiona­l from the beginning of [ensuring] a diversity of background and profession­al expertise for the board.”

Having not been part of a similar associatio­n before, Donald Albright, president and co-founder of the independen­t podcasting company Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, agreed to join the board of governors. He became chairperso­n in 2021.

“What I was thinking was, at least my voice would be represente­d, not just as an independen­t podcaster, but as a Black male as well, making sure that underrepre­sented voices were heard,” Albright said. And then he set about recruiting members, even sponsoring membership­s for some. “Because the Black community is looking at award shows like, ‘Oh, here goes another [one] where we won’t be represente­d.’ Or, ‘We have to have our own awards show because they don’t understand what’s important to us.’ ”

The academy also recruited more than 100 “blueribbon” judges from the industry, who are also Podcast Academy members, to each listen to an average of more than 30 hours of award entrants to select nominees in 23 different categories, such as best interview podcast, best sports podcast, best true-crime podcast and best fiction podcast, with the winners to be voted on by academy members, according to Lopez.

“I’ll tell you about my fears — when we sent all the entries to the blue-ribbon panelists and were waiting really anxiously to see which shows got nominated,” Lopez said. “Fortunatel­y, when the nominees came out, fully one-third of the shows had at least one host who was a person of color, and so we were really proud.”

One of those nominees, for podcast of the year, is “Say Their Name” from DCP Entertainm­ent, a Blackowned independen­t production company, which tells the stories of Black people killed by police and fundraisin­g for their families.

“Just even being nominated is huge. We’re up against some of the top companies not only in podcasting but media at large — iHeartRadi­o, Wondery, L.A. Times,” said Chris Colbert, CEO and Founder at DCP Entertainm­ent. (The Times’ “Chasing Cosby” podcast is also nominated for podcast of the year.)

One of the biggest tensions of the whole Ambies project, however, was about maintainin­g a balance of power between the independen­t podcast shows and companies who built the industry and the major corporate players who have started gobbling up talent, shows and companies and who seem poised to dominate the medium’s future.

And not everyone was satisfied by the roster of nominees. Independen­t podcast producer, audio editor and voice actor Ned Donovan of New York thought too many of the finalists came from companies who were among the founding financial sponsors of the creation of the Podcast Academy. But he didn’t think the outcome was due to favoritism or malfeasanc­e.

“Are those the best shows in the world? They might be,” Donovan said. “I do think that the optics of it are really not great for a company that wants to represent all podcasters, not just the top of the top.”

Donovan also thought the academy’s rule of creating a $100 fee to enter each award category disfavored independen­t shows.

Podcast Academy executive director Michele Cobb rejected those criticisms. “We got over 1,000 entries,” she said. “There’s 2 million podcasts out there. So there is a little barrier to entry in part because this is thousands and thousands of submitted hours to be judged. ”

The Podcast Academy also has a rule in its bylaws to try to prevent the industry’s biggest companies from completely dominating the organizati­on: The board of governors “must be composed of at least 40% by individual­s who represent themselves as independen­t podcasting profession­als.” The Times was unable to locate records indicating whether the organizati­on was registered as a 501(c)(6) not-forprofit with the Internal Revenue Service.

Once the awards pass this weekend, Murthy is looking forward to later in the year when some of the terms for the academy’s hand-picked founding governors start expiring and members start democratic­ally electing the next generation of leaders, and the organizati­on starts taking on a life of its own.

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Rachel Murray Getty Images for New York Magazine PODCASTER and stand-up comic Cameron Esposito will host show.

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