Marin Independent Journal

How Trump, Biden, Pence classified docs compare

- By Meg Kinnard

Classified documents keep showing up where they shouldn't be.

The FBI search on Friday for additional classified documents at former Vice President Mike Pence's home in Indiana — after others were found by his lawyers recently — followed the revelation of classified materials at President Joe Biden's Delaware home and former office and the seizure last year of hundreds of documents marked classified from Mar-a-Lago, the Florida residence of former President Donald Trump.

A look at similariti­es and difference­s among the cases:

How many classified documents are we talking about?

PENCE >> “A small number of documents bearing classified markings” were discovered last week at Pence's home north of Indianapol­is, Pence's lawyer, Greg Jacob, wrote in a Jan. 18 letter to the National Archives and Records Administra­tion, shared with The Associated Press.

In all, four boxes containing copies of administra­tion papers — two in which “a small number” of papers bearing classified markings were found, and two containing “courtesy copies of vice presidenti­al papers” — were discovered, according to Jacob.

On Friday, an FBI search of Pence's home in Carmel, Indiana, uncovered an additional document that contained one page with classified markings, according to Pence spokespers­on Devin O'Malley.

BIDEN >> It's unclear precisely how many classified papers have been recovered from Biden's home and former office. Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president, said this month that “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered on Nov. 2, 2022, in a locked closet at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, a think tank in Washington, as Biden's personal attorneys were clearing out the offices.

Sauber said Jan. 12 that a second batch of documents with classified markings — a “small number,” he said — had been found in a storage space in Biden's garage near Wilmington, Delaware, along with one document

located in Biden's personal library in his home. Days later, Sauber clarified that six pages, not a single one, had been found in the library.

During a nearly 13-hour search on Jan. 20, FBI agents searching Biden's Delaware home located six additional items that contained documents with classified markings and also took possession of some of his handwritte­n notes, said Bob Bauer, a lawyer for the president.

TRUMP >> Roughly 300 documents with classifica­tion markings — including some at the top secret level — have been recovered from Trump since he left office in January 2021.

In January 2022, the National Archives retrieved 15 boxes of documents, telling Justice Department officials they contained “a lot” of classified material. In August, FBI agents took more than 33 boxes and containers totaling 11,000 documents from Mar-a-Lago, including roughly 100 with classifica­tion markings

found in a storage room and an office.

How quickly were the classified documents turned over?

PENCE >> Jacob said the records were discovered by Pence lawyers on Jan. 16, secured in a locked safe and retrieved by FBI agents on Jan. 19. The four boxes of papers were delivered to the Archives on Jan. 23.

BIDEN >> After the materials were discovered at the think tank on Nov. 2, Biden's personal attorneys immediatel­y alerted the White House counsel's office, which notified the National Archives, Sauber said. The Archives took custody of the documents the next day.

Biden's personal lawyers then began examining other locations where records might have been shipped after Biden left the vice presidency in 2017. They found documents on Dec. 20 in his Wilmington garage and on Jan. 11 and 12 in his home library.

Sauber said that the Justice

Department was “immediatel­y notified” and took custody of the records.

On Jan. 20, Biden voluntaril­y allowed the FBI to search his Wilmington home, where additional documents were located. TRUMP >> A Trump representa­tive told the National Archives December 2021 that presidenti­al records had been found at Mar-a-Lago, nearly a year after Trump left office. Fifteen boxes of records containing some classified material were transferre­d to the Archives in January.

A few months later, investigat­ors from the Justice Department and FBI visited Mar-a-Lago to get more informatio­n about classified materials taken to Florida. Federal officials served a subpoena for some documents believed to be at the estate.

In August 2022, FBI agents conducting a search retrieved 33 boxes from Mar-a-Lago while executing a warrant that showed they were investigat­ing possible crimes including the willful retention of national defense informatio­n and efforts to obstruct the federal probe.

The search came after lawyers for Trump provided a sworn certificat­ion that all government records had been returned.

What about possible charges?

PENCE AND BIDEN >> There is no indication either was aware of the existence of the records before they were found and turned over.

It appears both turned over the records quickly, without intent to conceal. That's important because the Justice Department historical­ly looks for willfulnes­s, or an intent to mishandle government secrets, in deciding whether to bring criminal charges.

In Biden's case, even if the Justice Department were to find the case prosecutab­le on the evidence, its Office of Legal Counsel has concluded that a president is immune from prosecutio­n during his time in office. Former special counsel Robert Mueller cited that guidance in deciding not to reach a conclusion on whether Trump should face charges as part of the investigat­ion into coordinati­on between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia.

On Jan. 12, Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed a special counsel to investigat­e the discovery of documents in Biden's possession. Robert Hur, the Trump-appointed former U.S. attorney in Maryland, will lead the investigat­ion.

TRUMP >> The former president possibly faces exposure for obstructio­n over the protracted battle to retrieve the documents. And, since he's no longer in office, he wouldn't be afforded protection­s from possible prosecutio­n.

In November, Garland appointed Jack Smith, a veteran war crimes prosecutor with a background in public corruption probes, to lead investigat­ions into Trump's retention of classified documents, as well as key aspects of a separate probe involving the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrecti­on and efforts to undo the 2020 election.

What have the three men had to say?

PENCE >> In August, Pence told The Associated Press that he did not take any classified informatio­n with him when he left office, answering, “No, not to my knowledge” when asked directly if he had retained any such informatio­n.

As vice president, Pence would have had the power to declassify some documents, though he hasn't said that he did.

On Friday, spokespers­on O'Malley said the former vice president and his legal team “fully cooperated with the appropriat­e authoritie­s and agreed to a consensual search of his residence.”

BIDEN >> Biden said earlier this month he was “surprised to learn” that documents had been found at his think tank. He said he didn't know what was in the material but takes classified documents “very seriously.”

His team “did what they should have done,” Biden said. “They immediatel­y called the Archives.”

Biden told reporters at the White House Jan. 12 that he was “cooperatin­g fully and completely” with a Justice Department investigat­ion into how classified informatio­n and government records were stored.

TRUMP >> Trump, who had the ability when he was president to declassify documents, has contended at times that he did so regarding the documents that he took with him — though he has provided no evidence of that. He said in a Fox News interview in September that a president can declassify material “even by thinking about it.”

The former president has called the Mar-a-Lago search an “unannounce­d raid” that was “not necessary or appropriat­e” and represente­d “dark times for our nation.”

What are the political implicatio­ns?

PENCE >> As he lays the groundwork for a possible 2024 White House bid, the document discovery thrusts Pence into the debate over the handling of secret materials by officials who have served in the highest ranks of government. He had previously insisted that he followed stringent protocols regarding classified documents.

BIDEN >> His document disclosure could intensify criticism by Republican­s and others who say that if Trump is guilty of anything, so is he.

There are also possible ramificati­ons in a new, GOPcontrol­led Congress where Republican­s are promising to launch widespread investigat­ions of Biden's administra­tion.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican, has said, “I think Congress has to investigat­e this.” The top Republican on the House Intelligen­ce Committee, Ohio Rep. Mike Turner, has requested that intelligen­ce agencies conduct a “damage assessment” of potentiall­y classified documents.

TRUMP >> The documents probe is one of many that complicate the former president's bid for the White House in 2024, particular­ly after it became clear that the DOJ had launched a criminal investigat­ion into the retention of top secret government informatio­n.

 ?? MICHAEL CONROY — THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ?? Police secure the entrance to the neighborho­od of former Vice President Mike Pence's home Friday in Carmel, Ind., on Friday. The FBI searched Pence's Indiana home as part of a classified records probe.
MICHAEL CONROY — THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Police secure the entrance to the neighborho­od of former Vice President Mike Pence's home Friday in Carmel, Ind., on Friday. The FBI searched Pence's Indiana home as part of a classified records probe.
 ?? JOHN MINCHILLO — THE ASSOCIATED PRESS FILE ?? Former Vice President Mike Pence speaks during an interview with The Associated Press on Nov. 16 in New York.
JOHN MINCHILLO — THE ASSOCIATED PRESS FILE Former Vice President Mike Pence speaks during an interview with The Associated Press on Nov. 16 in New York.

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