Marin Independent Journal

Conservati­ves fuel migration to South Carolina

- By Eduardo Medina

Jen Hubbell became a real estate agent in Greenville, South Carolina, because she b elieved a good life started with a good home, and now her phone buzzed regularly with calls from out-of-state clients who believed they could find both things in her city.

Many were staunch conservati­ves from deeply blue states such as New York, Washington and California, fed up with the politics there. Could Hubbell, a conservati­ve herself, help them find neighborho­ods of likeminded people?

Her response was always emphatic: “You are going to love it here.”

Hubbell is the lead agent in South Carolina for Conservati­ve Move, a Texas-based company that helps conservati­ves migrate to solidly red places. (“When your community no longer reflects morals and values, it might be time to move,” its website says.) And with South Carolina surpassing Florida last year as the fastest-growing state in the country, she is keeping very busy.

The in-migration has fueled a yearslong real estate boom across South Carolina, where Republican­s have controlled the governor's mansion and Legislatur­e for more than two decades. Real estate agents like Hubbell say many of their clients are religious conservati­ves whose reasons for moving include opposition to policies such as abortion access, support for transgende­r rights and vaccine mandates during the pandemic. Paul Chabot, the founder and president of Conservati­ve Move, which works with about 500 agents across the country, said that when he started his company in 2017, there were not a lot of people asking to go to South Carolina.

In the last two years, however,

it has joined Texas and Florida among the top three states that the company's clients are buying homes in, Chabot said. About 5,000 people in its clientele database have expressed interest in moving to South Carolina soon. Most of the company's clients in South Carolina have chosen to buy a house in Greenville County, which is in a deeply conservati­ve and Christian region known as the Upstate. The county had the second-largest population growth in the state from 2020-22, behind Horry County, which encompasse­s Myrtle Beach and has more expensive houses.

Hubbell, along with half a dozen real estate agents who do not work with Conservati­ve Move but whose experience has mirrored hers, described having had an easy time selling the appeal of Greenville. That was especially true with clients moving from large liberal cities and their outskirts who still want a hint of a cosmopolit­an life.

Greenville is big enough for Broadway shows and rooftop bars, but people still often see their neighbors

downtown, where a pedestrian bridge gives an overhead view of the Reedy River Falls. Agents also often point out the lack of homeless encampment­s in the city.

Perhaps most important, property taxes are low, and houses are generally less expensive than out West or in New England. The median price of a house is about $360,000. Real estate agents will also note that there are hundreds of churches near Greenville, mostly Christian. And Bob Jones University, a prominent evangelica­l school, is here.

“When I walked inside banks or stores or schools, there was always Christian music playing in the background,” said Lina Brock, a conservati­ve who recently moved to Greenville from Temecula, California, where she was dismayed by the vocal support for access to abortions. “I felt good, I felt welcomed. I felt like I was in the United States.”

Last year, about 15,500 New Yorkers, 15,000 California­ns and 36,000 North Carolinian­s moved to the state, which has a population of more than 5.3 million. There

is no data that breaks down those demographi­cs by political party, but few believe the growth will do much to shift the state politicall­y. The same cannot be said for Texas, Georgia and North Carolina, which are becoming somewhat more blue as young, liberal-leaning people flock to some of their cities, said Mark Owens, a political science professor at the Citadel in Charleston, South Carolina.

The flow of conservati­ves into South Carolina is underscori­ng what even many of those moving concede is an unfortunat­e reality in a polarized America, as people choose to part ways with neighbors they disagree with. Several newcomers to the Greenville area said it had been a difficult decision, but that they had grown tired of feeling lonely and even ostracized.

Yana Ghannam, a recent client of Hubbell, said she had moved to Greenville from Livermore, California, because she wanted to make friends who wouldn't criticize her for voting Republican or for being anti-union. “It was very much, `Oh you have to do this to fit in, you have to do that,'” Ghannam said of her life in Livermore.

Politics, of course, are not the only reason people are moving to South Carolina. The weather counts for something, and jobs have been a big draw, including in a growing electric vehicle industry.

Several of the agents said many conservati­ve-leaning buyers in Greenville have sought acres of land slightly off the grid, avoided homeowners associatio­ns and purchased homes with plenty of backyard space for vegetable gardens, chickens or other barn animals because they are interested in being independen­t and self-reliant. “If you would have told me five years ago I would have chickens, I'd be like, `You are lying,'” said Lauren Gomes, a conservati­ve who moved to Greenville County in 2022 with her husband and three children because she was angered by the liberal politics in Minnesota, where her family had lived for seven generation­s.

Gomes, who described herself as Christian and anti-abortion, said she felt compelled to leave because she was getting yelled at in grocery stores for not wearing a mask during the pandemic, and because abortion remains legal, with no restrictio­ns, in Minnesota.

She said she was also worried about how, in her view, “transgende­rism infiltrate­s all aspects of education, public life, when you're out and about” in Minnesota. Gomes and other conservati­ves who moved to South Carolina said they liked the state's ban on abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy. Other local policies in Greenville County have also appealed to them, such as when the board of trustees for the county's libraries voted to relocate children's materials depicting transgende­r minors from the children's section to the parenting section.Stephen Johnson Jr. recently helped Rick and Natalie Samuelson move from Gig Harbor, Washington, to Williamsto­n, South Carolina, a town of roughly 4,000 about 20 miles outside Greenville, where their budget of $2 million meant they could afford almost anything in the area.

But on Friday, the Samuelsons, who are Republican, met with Johnson at the BrickTop's restaurant in downtown and discussed possibly buying a new home in Greenville because they wanted to live closer to a hospital. They also discussed a transgende­r athlete that Johnson said he saw play in a girl's basketball game he refereed.

“It's clearly a young boy that is bigger than all of his friend's teammates,” Johnson said as the server removed the leftover deviled eggs and sweetened “Millionair­e's Bacon.” “He identifies as female, so they allowed him to play.” Natalie Samuelson shook her head. Then the conversati­on switched to how wonderful Greenville was for them. “A conservati­ve bubble melting pot,” Johnson said.

“It's Christiani­ty,” Rick Samuelson said. “No place is more unifying for Christiani­ty to this degree.”The recent growth and influx of wealthier residents has forced many poorer residents out, a problem hardly unique to Greenville or the South, but hard on its Black community in particular. A 2023 study from Furman University found that Greenville has seen a 22% decline in its Black population since 1990, while the city's overall population has grown about 21%.

“Wealthy white families are moving into historical­ly Black neighborho­ods that ring the city of Greenville,” the study found. “Their newfound interest in places they once avoided is increasing property values beyond what the existing Black population can afford.”

 ?? WILL CROOKS — THE NEW YORK TIMES ?? Curt and Liz Cutler in the backyard of their home Spartanbur­g, S.C. Curt Cutler said he was fired from his sanitation job in New York City in 2021after refusing to comply with a coronaviru­s vaccine mandate.
WILL CROOKS — THE NEW YORK TIMES Curt and Liz Cutler in the backyard of their home Spartanbur­g, S.C. Curt Cutler said he was fired from his sanitation job in New York City in 2021after refusing to comply with a coronaviru­s vaccine mandate.

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