Core i7-8700k: Intel’s response to Ryzen is faster and cheaper than ever
Intel’s aptly named Coffee Lake offers a frenetic amount of performance at prices unheard of from the chip giant.
Intel’s 6-core 8th generation Core i7-8700k CPU is the reality check to high-performance, high-priced CPUS like the $2,000 Core i9 ( go.pcworld. com/2ci9) and $1,000 AMD Ryzen Threadripper ( go.pcworld.com/10rt). The real battle for the desktop and consumer’s wallets is with this amazingly affordable (for Intel anyway) $359 CPU ( go.pcworld. com/35cp), code-named Coffee Lake.
In fact, the Core i7-8700k is Intel’s first real response to AMD’S breakthrough series of Ryzen 5 ( go.pcworld.com/sor5) and Ryzen 7 CPUS ( go.pcworld.com/r7pu), and a viable
alternative to the Zen-based CPUS. But just how fast is it, and which CPU should you buy? Read on to find out.
WHAT IS COFFEE LAKE?
Moore’s Law isn’t dead, but the ability to shrink CPU circuits and increase density has drastically slowed down. Coffee Lake, for example, is based on the same 14nm process the company introduced with its Broadwell line of laptops CPUS in 2014. Since then, Intel has used the 14nm process on Skylake, Kaby Lake, and now Coffee Lake. Despite the similar process, however, Intel says it’s made enough improvements along the way to call Coffee Lake a “14nm plus plus” chip. A simpler way is to think of Coffee Lake as an improved 7th-generation Kaby Lake chip with two more cores, though there are some subtler changes.
So yes, cynics, the only true “8th-generational” part may be the name itself. Folks of a more forgiving mindset will see 8th-gen chips as a big breakthrough for
Intel, which has offered quad-core CPUS as luxury models exclusively for the last ten years. Consider that Intel once charged $1,000 for 6-core CPUS. With Coffee Lake, you’re getting two more cores for the nearly the same price as Kaby Lake and Skylake.
WHY COFFEE LAKE REQUIRES A NEW MOTHERBOARD
Although Coffee Lake is essentially an improved Kaby Lake CPU, some key changes will drive Intel fans simply batty. The main one is its incompatibility with older motherboards, despite using the exact same physical LGA1151 socket.
Why, Intel, why? The company cites several changes. The first is official support for DDR4/2666 instead of of DDR4/2400. The higher-clocked RAM required more tightly controlled layout of the wires or “traces” on the motherboard, which mandated new designs.
Coffee Lake also adopts the nifty “per core” overclocking first introduced with the Core i7-6950x Broadwell-e. This allows a user to overclock just individual cores based on the workload.
All this added up to the Z370 chipset you’ll find on new motherboards, the company said. One thing that isn’t clear, however, is why Z370 won’t work with older CPUS. Because both the Z270 and Z370 use the same socket and pretty much the same chipset pinout, why can’t you put your older 7th-gen Kaby Lake into a newer Coffee Lake
Z370 mobo? All Intel would say is its board partners actually requested a clean break from the past with the new chipset.
HOW WE TESTED
For this review, we looked at the top chip of the lineup: the Core i7-8700k. We compared it primarily to its nemesis: AMD’S Ryzen 7 1700X. Although technically priced at $399, we easily found the chip for $359 at Amazon. com ( go.pcworld.com/359a) or even cheaper when on sale.
Our original review of the Ryzen 7 ( go. pcworld.com/ror7) was focused on the top CPU, the Ryzen 7 1800X, but a lot has changed since March. So we took our original Asus Crosshair VI Hero build, updated to the latest available BIOS, installed a fresh copy of Windows 10, and the latest AMD drivers and Ryzen power plan.
We also changed out the RAM. Our original Ryzen test filled all slots with DDR4 RAM, which limited the memory speed to JEDEC standard DDR4/2133 (a limitation of Ryzen at the time). For the Coffee Lake showdown, we dropped in 16GB of DDR4/3200 instead, to give the Ryzen 7 chip every opportunity to shine. If you don’t follow current events, you should know Ryzen’s memory controller and Infinity Fabric have a very close relationship, and the higherclocked the memory you use, the higher the performance potential.
For GPU we again used a Founders Edition Geforce GTX 1080 card, updated with the latest Nvidia drivers.
On the Intel side, we used a Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 7 board with a matching Founders Edition Geforce GTX 1080 card, a clean install of Windows 10, and the same model of Kingston SATA SSD for the primary boot drive.
For RAM, we initially used a matching set of 16GB DDR4/3200 from our Ryzen build.
When calibrating our system against numbers provided by Intel, we found the system actually performed slower when selecting the XMP profile for 3,200MHZ. In the end, we swapped in another pair of modules rated at 2,400MHZ and got closer to the numbers Intel said we should expect.
CORE I7-8700K APPLICATION PERFORMANCE
To dig into the performance characteristics of Core i7-8700k, we ran the CPU through a gauntlet of rendering, encoding, and other productivity tests. If you use mostly Office applications, a browser and gaming, our single-threaded performance results matter more. If you edit video or perform other Cpu-intensive tasks on your PC, pay closer attention to the multi-hreaded performance.
CINEBENCH R15 PERFORMANCE
Our first test is Maxon’s Cinebench R15. It’s a popular, free benchmark based on the same engine used in the company’s professional Cinema 4D program. Professional 3D rendering tends to like CPU cores and threads, and the default setting for Cinebench exploits all available cores.
The multithreaded results bear this out, as the CPUS we’ve tested sort out based on the thread count. In the crazy range, we have Intel’s Core i9 chips and AMD’S Threadripper. From there the list sorts out nicely based on the number of cores and whether the CPUS have Symmetric Multithreading (SMT), or what Intel calls Hyper-threading.
In multi-threaded tests, the new Core i7-8700k (the second orange bar in the chart above) straddles the line between the performance of a 6-core CPU and an 8-core CPU. In Cinebench, which scales very well with the number of cores, it comes very close to the performance of an 8-core. The Ryzen 7 1700X easily walks away from the Core i7-8700k, but if you have any doubts as to whether Core i7-8700k is better left to compete with AMD’S
6-core Ryzen 5 chips, the result above should answer that.
We also run Cinebench in single-threaded mode to measure the performance of a CPU when an app or game only uses one core. For the most part, such a test favors CPUS with higher clock speeds and greater efficiency. With Core i7-8700k (see the pink bar below), you get that in spades, hearts, clubs, and diamonds.
With a boost clock of 4.7GHZ, the Core i7-8700k slides past the previous top dog, the Core i7-7700k which has a top boost clock of 4.5GHZ. Intel actually dominates the singlethreaded performance with 8th-gen, Kaby Lake and Skylake-x lining up in an orderly fashion ahead of the pack of older Intel CPUS and
AMD’S chips.
AMD fans will protest that single-threaded performance doesn’t matter in a multithreaded world, but the harsh truth is a huge swath of applications and games don’t exploit more than one CPU core at a time. Despite taking a backseat to Ryzen 7 1700X in the multi-threading test, Core i7-8700k wins this one in a big, big way.
BLENDER PERFORMANCE
Our second test is another 3D render app called Blender. It’s an open-source, free application that sees heavy use in many independent movies. Like Cinebench, it favors more cores and more threads, but we’ve found that it doesn’t always scale that well with core count.
Blender’s performance can vary greatly with the workload thrown at it. For our test, we use the free BMW CPU test. The result shows the sheer strength of this spunky little 6-core Coffee Lake chip, which isn’t content to slum it with the 6-core Ryzen 5 and Core i7 Broadwell-e chip. Its score, in fact, is dead even with the 8-core Ryzen 7 1700X. A 6-core chip that can hang with the 8-core chips is something to be respected.
POV-RAY PERFORMANCE
The Persistence of Vision Raytracer (POV-RAY,
go.pcworld.com/povr) is a ray tracer that dates back to the days of the Commodore Amiga. Like Blender and Cinebench, it generally favors efficient CPU cores. Once again we see the 6-core Core i7-8700k hanging closer to the 8-core CPUS than the 6-core chips using the internal benchmark.
We also run POV-RAY’S internal single-threaded test. No surprise, the high-clocked Core i7-8700k (light blue, below) and Core i7-7700k (light pink, below) are in a dead heat. The lineup reinforces Intel’s lead in singlethreaded apps, just as we saw in Cinebench. The first AMD CPU straggles in at 9th place. If you’re wondering why the Ryzen 7 1700X actually loses to the cheaper 6-core Ryzen 5 1600X, it’s likely due to the slightly higher clock speeds of the budget 6-core chip.
CORONA RENDERER
Our final 3D rendering test is fairly new to us and actually came to our attention through AMD. Our sample set is smaller, but it again shows the Ryzen 7 1700X just can’t shake the Core i7-8700k (the blue bar at the bottom). The Ryzen 7 wins—but by an uncomfortably slim margin considering it packs four more threads than the Core i7-8700k.
HANDBRAKE ENCODE
The world isn’t all about rendering 3D models, of course. More people are likely to be encoding video instead, which is where the free and popular Handbrake encoder comes in. For this test, we use an older version and convert a 30GB, 1080p MKV file using the Android Tablet preset. Handbrake tends to favor CPUS with more cores and threads, and we see that familiar pattern: Core i7-8700k hanging right there with the 8-core CPUS, rather than with the 6-core chips. It’s not enough to outpace the 8-core Ryzen chips or the the 8-core Broadwell-e, but it’s closer than you’d expect.
ADOBE PREMIERE CREATIVE CLOUD 2017
Our next video test uses Adobe’s professional Premiere Creative Cloud 2017 to encode an actual video project shot by our video crew in 4K on a Sony Alpha camera.
For this test, we keep the video project on a Plextor PCIE SSD and write the project to the same device, in order to remove storage variability from the test.
We use Premiere to encode it using the
Blu-ray preset and select the Maximum Render quality option, which ups the image quality when changing resolution (which we also do.) We specify that Premiere use the CPU for encoding rather than the GPU.
Some video professionals will scoff at using much slower CPUS for a video job, but image-quality snobs will argue that the best result is achieved using the CPU.
The results again put the 6-core Core i7-8700k in the running with the 8-core chips. But we still hear those video pros tsk-tsking our choice of CPU encoding, so we also ran our test using the Geforce GTX 1080 for Cuda-based encoding. Though some believe the CPU makes no difference, it’s clear that core count still matters even on a GPU encode. It’s also clear the Core i7-8700k can hang with those 8-core CPUS.
CORE I7-8700K GAMING PERFORMANCE
For our Threadripper and Core i9 tests, we didn’t dwell on gaming performance. Although important, those who buy $1,000 and $2,000 CPUS need them for rendering and encoding, not gaming. When you’re talking about $360 mainstream chips, gaming matters a lot more. Because we wanted to use the latest Geforce drivers on our tests, we also restricted our results to the Ryzen 7 1700X and Core i7-8700k, as we don’t have every single CPU on record using the newest GPU drivers.
3DMARK TIME SPY PERFORMANCE
Our first test is Futuremark’s 3Dmark Time Spy test. Futuremark knows how to create
beautiful test scenes, and Time Spy doesn’t let us down. For this test, we record Time Spy’s CPU score, which obviously focuses on the CPU rather than the GPU. Time Spy also favors more cores, good news for AMD, whose 8-core Ryzen 7 1700X lands a nose in front.
MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOWS OF MORDOR
The thing is, Time Spy uses Directx 12, and the new API’S ability to use more CPU cores. Many games sadly just don’t care that much about having an 8-core CPU. For example, we use Middle-earth: Shadows of Mordor with the high-resolution texture pack loaded to look at the real-world gaming performance of the two chips. That decent lead Ryzen 7 1700X had in Time Spy 1.0 evaporates, putting the Core i7-8700k slightly ahead rather than slightly behind when the game is set to Ultra.
To get a better feel for what would happen if the graphics card weren’t the limit on performance, we also ran Shadows of Mordor using the High setting instead of Ultra. No surprise, the result favors the Core i7-8700k’s higher clock speed and greater efficiency and you can see the performance gap open up a little more.
RISE OF THE TOMB RAIDER PERFORMANCE
We also ran Rise of the Tomb Raider at 1920x1080 resolution on the highest image quality preset, in Directx 11 mode rather than Directx 12. The Core i7-8700k just runs away
with it here. If you think this is Directx 11’s fault, we also ran it in Directx 12 mode, which actually pushed the Core i7 even further ahead.
Mind you, Rise of the Tomb Raider recently received a patch that actually improves its performance on the new Ryzen CPUS. This is likely just the massive clock speed advantage that puts Core i7 in front.
TOM CLANCY’S RAINBOW SIX SIEGE
Like Rise of the Tomb Raider, Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege also agrees that the clock speed advantage Core i7 has over Ryzen 7 puts it in front.
As with most games, though, once you increase the image quality slider to higher settings, it turns into a GPU test. On
Rainbow Six Siege, for example, Core i7 wins, but it’s pretty even.
DEUS EX DIVIDED
The bad news for Ryzen 7 come from Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. This particular game is one of the few AMD initially identified as running better on Ryzen. With the
resolution at 1920x1080 and the High preset, though, Ryzen 7 just can’t beat that high clock speed. Core i7 runs away with it. The reality is, most people with beefy GPUS don’t tend to play at High or Medium settings, they pick Ultra. Once you do that (and it becomes more about the GPU), it doesn’t matter that much does it?
ASHES OF THE SINGULARITY: ESCALATION
Our last test is Stardock’s Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation. Made by Oxide as a showcase for the capability of Directx 12, we ran the game at 1920x1080 using the Crazy preset. You might choose this to make it a GPU test, but Oxide has coded in a benchmark to stress the CPU more than the GPU. When we select CPU Focused, Ryzen 7 and its 8 cores come out ahead of the 6 cores in Core i7. Still, this is very much the exception. For the most part, the higher clock speeds of Core i7 will put it well ahead of Ryzen 7 in most games. Enough to care about or to matter? Probably not.
CORE SCALING
Before we close this up, we’ll hit you with two more charts. The first is Cinebench R15, but with the workload set by hand to run from single-core to 16-cores. If you look at the results, you can see the strengths of either $360 CPU. For the most part, Core i7 (orange bars) has the advantage until we get to about 12 threads in Cinebench. That’s no surprise as it is a 6-core CPU versus an 8-core CPU.
One thing our chart doesn’t show, because of the scale, is how much of an advantage the Core i7-8700k has in those lightly threaded tasks. So we crunched the numbers to find the percent difference the Core i7-8700k has over or under the Ryzen 7 1700X. The results speak of the advantage Core i7-8700k has up to about 6 threads. Much of that, we believe, comes from the clock speed advantage. We also looked at the reported clock speeds of the CPU during these tests and found that while the Ryzen 7 1700X clocked up to 3.9GHZ on single-threaded most of the time, it was seemingly locked in at 3.5GHZ. The Core i7-8700k, on the other hand, would hit 4.7GHZ before slowly settling down to 4.5GHZ to 4.3GHZ across the workloads. That’s just a huge clock speed disparity, and it shows.
CONCLUSION
Ultimately how we judge the Core i7-8700k ($370 on Amazon, go.pcworld.com/ci78) comes down to two areas: Performance
and price.
In performance, it’s pretty clear Core i7-8700k is an impressive CPU. With its high clock speeds and efficient micro-architecture, it punches out of its weight class and can rival CPUS with two more cores. That high clock also aids it in the very important single-and lightly-threaded workloads that the vast majority of consumers rely on every day.
In many ways, the Coffee Lake Core i7-8700k goes a long toward addressing a key weakness of Intel’s previous mainstream standard bearer—the Core i7-7700k.
While fast in single- and lightly-threaded tasks, the quad-core Kaby Lake would lose to the 8-core Ryzen CPUS in heavier-duty tasks. The Core i7-8700k doesn’t quite ace the comparable AMD CPUS in all heavy-duty work, but it comes uncomfortably close in a lot of them and can even match it in a few.
When Intel finally released its 18-core Core i9-7980x and 16-core Core i9-7960x ( go.pcworld.com/coi9), the company took back the performance crown from AMD’S Threadripper ( go.pcworld.com/amdt). Still, few took Intel seriously because the pricing on the CPUS was so over-the-top, it was clear Intel didn’t plan to sell many.
It’s clear with Coffee Lake, Intel really wants to sell them. At $360 list, it compares very favorably to the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X, which has a list price of $400 but can be had for $300 to $360.
As skeptical we were initially of how Intel’s 6-core CPU could go toe-to-toe with AMD’S 8-core chips, the tests show Coffee Lake is more competitive than we expected and a lot more affordable than ever before from Intel.
HERE’S WHAT TO BUY
Pick Core i7-8700k ( go.pcworld.com/i787)
over Ryzen 7 1700X if you mostly play games, drive Office and a browser, and don’t intend to push only content creation apps. Basically, it’s the CPU for most people who want more performance but don’t really do video editing all the time.
Pick Ryzen 7 1700X ( go.pcworld.com/ r717) over Core i7-8700k if you’re looking for a budget content creation machine without stepping up to a Threadripper part. As fast as Core i7-8700k is, most people who do 3D modelling will generally want more cores, and Ryzen 7 1700X has the advantage there. That advantage, however, is a pretty damned tiny in a lot of tests, and something AMD and its fans may lose a lot of sleep over.
Pick Core i7-7700k over Core i7-8700k if you want an immediate feeling of remorse. With the same basic list price between the two chips (Coffee Lake is $10 more) there’s almost no reason to choose a Core i7-7700k over Core i7-8700k, ever. Core i7-8700k can do everything Kaby Lake can do on light tasks, and then give the 8-core Ryzen chips a hard time, too. The only possible reason we could see to buy Core i7-7700k is a good price or the motherboard you have just won’t work with Core i7-8700k. But yeah, just don’t.