Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Giuliani defends Ukraine efforts

- By Jordan Fabian

WASHINGTON — Rudy Giuliani said his controvers­ial work with Ukraine — now at the center of the House impeachmen­t probe — was done “solely as a defense attorney” for President Donald Trump, undercutti­ng the administra­tion’s claims that the former mayor was advancing U.S. foreign policy.

The Wednesday tweet from the Trump attorney, who has hired lawyers of his own to represent him, offered one of his most direct statements thus far on the nature of his work in Kyiv that has come under scrutiny in the impeachmen­t inquiry. Lawmakers have been interviewi­ng current and former administra­tion officials in efforts to clarify the nature of Mr. Giuliani’s interactio­ns with U.S. and Ukrainian officials.

Secretary of State Michael Pompeo in an Oct. 20 interview with ABC News disputed the notion that Mr. Giuliani had circumvent­ed the State Department to conduct what Democrats have called a shadow foreign policy. “Private citizens often are part of executing American foreign policy,” Mr. Pompeo said.

And Mr. Giuliani had previously denied bypassing official diplomatic channels in dealing with the government of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

“Well, I wasn’t operating on my own,” Mr. Giuliani said in a Sept. 26 interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingraham. “I went to meet Mr. Zelenskiy’s aide at the request of the State Department. Fifteen memos make that clear.”

But former special envoy to Ukraine Kurt Volker said in House testimony that Mr. Giuliani’s assertions in media interviews that he was acting at the behest of the State Department were not true. Mr. Volker said he arranged a meeting between Mr. Giuliani and top Zelenskiy adviser Andriy Yermak, but that it was not at the administra­tion’s direction.

“He was saying that we were directing him and that he was acting on the behest of the State Department to do things,” Mr. Volker said. “Well, it’s not the truth.”

Gordon Sondland, Mr. Trump’s ambassador to the European Union, described Mr. Giuliani’s role in ambiguous terms, saying that he discussed with Mr. Pompeo that the former New York City mayor was simply “involved in affairs” related to Ukraine.

The secretary of state “rolled his eyes” and said it is something we have to deal with, according to Mr. Sondland.

But Mr. Sondland also tried to distance himself and his office from Mr. Giuliani.

“Let me be clear: Mr. Giuliani does not work for me or for my mission, and I do not know what official or unofficial role, if any, he has with the State Department,” he said in his opening statement. “To my knowledge, he is one of the president’s personal lawyers.”

Mr. Giuliani, who is under criminal investigat­ion as part of work two of his associates did in Ukraine, also said Wednesday that he had hired three lawyers, including Robert Costello, who specialize­s in criminal litigation and municipal investigat­ions.

Asked Oct. 25 whether he was concerned about the growing investigat­ion into his personal lawyer, Mr. Trump said: “I don’t think so.”

“I think Rudy is a great gentleman. He’s been a great crime fighter. He looks for corruption wherever he goes. Everybody understand­s Ukraine has big problems in that regard,” Mr. Trump said.

 ?? Charles Krupa/Associated Press ?? Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani speaks Aug. 1, 2018, in Portsmouth, N.H.
Charles Krupa/Associated Press Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani speaks Aug. 1, 2018, in Portsmouth, N.H.

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