Rolling Stone

Issa Rae’s Empire

CAN’T STOP, WON’T STOP

- By Brittany Spanos

As Insecure winds down, she’s just getting started.

Hours before the dawn even considers cracking, Issa Rae is awake. The weekday routine is as follows: At 4:20 a.m., she sets out on an hourlong walk, alternatin­g between t wo routes. With AirPods in and podcasts playing, Rae whips down quiet Los Angeles roads lit only by streetlamp­s, sometimes passing by a house she grew up in, before beginning her day. This is how Rae keeps her sanity, though when we meet on a Tuesday in early March, she confesses the regimen has been upended.

“I hadn’t done my walking since January,” Rae says over a bottle of prosecco she’s poured out for us by her pool. Her unassuming house sits on a suburban street in L.A.’s View Park neighborho­od, its well-manicured lawn fitting in neatly with the rest. She’s set a giant, colorful arrangemen­t of flowers on the table. “During filming, all routine goes out the window, which sucks.”

Rae thrives off routine — but the only thing she’s more devoted to is work. Her morning outings halted when she headed back to set to start filming the fifth and final season of her breakout HBO series, Insecure. At the moment Covid derailed everyone’s lives, Rae was coming off promoting the romantic drama The Photograph and preparing to premiere her action-packed romcom with Kumail Nanjiani, The Lovebirds, at SXSW. Grounded at home, she began planning Insecure’s conclusion last May. She also created a new show, Rap Sh*t, about two female rappers in Miami.

To call Rae one of the busiest people in entertainm­ent is not a stretch. There’s always something brewing in the 36-year-old multi-hyphenate’s pot, sometimes literally: In 2019, she became co-owner of a new Hilltop coffee shop in Inglewood (another followed in Eagle Rock). She has a hair-care company, Sienna Naturals. Campaigns with Madewell, LinkedIn, and CoverGirl. And, of course, there’s the crown jewel, Hoorae, her production company overseeing all of the film, television, music, and events that Rae has in the works. She estimates that she has around 22 movies and shows currently in developmen­t, 16 alone for HBO and HBO Max.

“I’m just always thinking about work,” Rae says, her tone sober. “I was always like this. [In the past] it was like, ‘I need to work to make sure I have the means of affording a

Senior writer BrIttany Spanos wrote the Miley Cyrus cover story in January. place to live.’ [Or] ‘This didn’t work, what’s the next thing I can do?’ I think that’s just how my mind works. That’s Capricorn shit. Workaholic shit.”

In her struggle for balance, Rae keeps her life outside of the hit shows, movies, and glamorous photo shoots aggressive­ly normal. She has an office she reports to when she’s not filming and a cabal of lifelong friends — though the pandemic revealed room for improvemen­t there. Deprived of seeing her friends in person, she slacked on communicat­ion, and felt those relationsh­ips suffered. “I’ve fallen short because I’m so used to [them] accommodat­ing this in-person dynamic,” she says. “So this year has tested who I am as a friend and really made me realize, ‘Oh, I’m not considerat­e in this way, and I can do more here.’ ”

Add it to Rae’s list of goals. She seems to have a lot on her mind these days, including that she has plenty more to prove to the entertainm­ent industry. “I feel like I have a cute story, but I want to be more than that,” she says, referring to being discovered through her self-produced YouTube series The Misadventu­res of Awkward Black Girl. “I want to belong here. I want to be among the greats.” Names that “roll off your tongue” are Rae’s greatness barometer: Denzel Washington, Cicely Tyson, Oprah. Ceiling-shattering icons who have been the blueprint for Rae her entire life. “I have to work to do that,” she continues. “It’s not enough to start things. These businesses and all these things that I’m touching still have to be great. Anybody can do this, but can they do it well? What I’m trying to prove is that I can do it well.”

Jo-Issa rae DIop was born to a Senegalese father and Louisiana-native mother who met while they were students in France. The Diops raised five children together — Rae landed right in the middle — moving the family around as the kids grew up, from Los Angeles to Senegal to Potomac, Maryland. When Rae was 11, they settled back in L.A.

In school, Rae excelled, and enjoyed the positive attention that brought. “She was very smart. She got things very quickly,” says one of Rae’s best friends, Devin Walker. They met in 1999, during their freshman year of high school. “I went to her for help in class, especially with math and science.”

Back in Potomac, Rae had been one of the only black students in her class. So when she returned to L.A., where she was surrounded by more black and brown kids, she felt the growing pains of catching up on all the things her peers loved. In her 2016 collection of essays, titled after her YouTube show, she detailed her stumbles in trying to fit in: not knowing who Tupac was when he died, regrettabl­y inflating her dancing skills before a party, the boundless pitfalls of adolescent dating in both America and Senegal. It’s the essence of her “awkward” persona, the inbetween-ness of not feeling as definable as the people around you want to be. It’s a title Rae still wears with pride, though Walker says it doesn’t quite fit.

“I tell her she’s not awkward, but I think she still sees herself that way, because it’s just life,” Walker says. “Awkward conversati­ons, awkward interactio­ns. [Times when] you don’t want to stay but you linger because you don’t want to be rude. She has a tendency to do these things, so that’s stuck with her. But I still see her as being so cool.”

“There’s no way she thought I was cool,” Rae contests a few days later. After her Tupac debacle in the sixth grade, Rae vowed never to be behind her classmates again. She became obsessed with artists like Mýa, Pharrell, and Ma$e, and dove into black music of the Sixties and Seventies. She loved television, too, and the Nineties were an especially rich time for a young black viewer. It was a golden age of sitcoms that showed black people in a way they had often been denied: relatable. Shows like A Different World, Living Single, Moesha, and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air defined Rae’s childhood and sparked her own desire to create cultural mirrors.

In 1996, at age 11, Rae wrote her first spec script, for Bill Cosby and Phylicia Rashad’s new sitcom, Cosby, which she sent to CBS with her grandma’s encouragem­ent. Not long after, she wrote a pilot for an original show called Ronnie that she mailed off to NBC, “a high school dramedy about gang violence” that she compares in her book to the short-lived series South Central.

“I got those rejection letters fairly quickly,” she says with a laugh. She stopped writing to pursue drama in high school, but when she saw the 2000 romance Love & Basketball, everything changed. The first script she wrote after watching Gina Prince-Bythewood’s debut film was submitted as part of her applicatio­n to an ABC writers program.

“My mom drove me because I missed the postmark deadline,” Rae recalls. “I put the little envelope under the door and then I got feedback a couple months later.” The response wasn’t what she wanted. “[It] was basically like, ‘This is laced with profanity,’ ” she says, laughing harder now. “Like, it’s ABC! What was I thinking?” (She would just have to wait 15 or so years to get all the curse words she wanted into her scripts for HBO.)

It wasn’t entirely clear to anyone, even Rae, that Hollywood would be her future. Her pediatrici­an father and teacher mother wanted her to pursue a more stable profession, like doctor or lawyer. But she got a re

“I want to be among the greats. I have to work to do that. It’s not enough to start things. These businesses and all these things that I’m touching have to be great. Anybody can do this, but can they do it well?”

ality check when she arrived at Stanford in 2003. “I was like, ‘Oh, I’m not as good at calculus as I thought I was,’ ” Rae says. That’s when she leaned into the arts, writing and directing plays, and creating the web series Dorm Diaries, her foray into the self-starter world of YouTube. After college she relocated to New York for a fellowship at the Public Theater, working low-paying jobs to support herself. It was a rough transition into the real world. “I was struggling in New York [and] broke as hell,” she says bluntly.

Two friends who were pursuing their own entry-level opportunit­ies in entertainm­ent persuaded Rae to come back West, where she had connection­s and could save money living at home. She returned to making scripted content for YouTube, and eventually started writing Awkward Black Girl, with production help from a former Stanford classmate named Tracy Oliver (who would go on to write the blockbuste­r comedies Girls Trip and Little). The main character, J, was the prototype for Insecure’s Issa Dee: a socially awkward and uncertain young woman navigating uncomforta­ble workplace dynamics and romantic mishaps.

The show became a viral sensation. By Season Two, Rae had the assistance of Pharrell, who funded the new episodes and premiered them on his iamOTHER YouTube channel. And from there, she was thrust into the entertainm­ent world with little netting. ABG provided a wealth of opportunit­ies, including an unaired 2013 pilot called I Hate L.A. Dudes, produced by Shonda Rhimes. That ended up being an important lesson.

“I was so focused on what I felt like fit their network that I didn’t focus on the story I wanted to tell,” Rae has said. “I was eager to please, and that made my voice kind of irrelevant, and the reason they brought me in in the first place was to have something to say. I had to realize I have a specific point of view, I have a specific story to tell, and I need to tap into that.”

As L.A. Dudes fell through, Rae teamed up with Larry Wilmore, then still a Daily Show correspond­ent, who became a mentor and a partner in developing Insecure. “I’ve learned so much from him,” Rae says. “This industry is built on exclusion. Knowing people is such a currency, and if you don’t know anybody, you’re just left to fend for yourself.”

Cute as rae’s profession­al story may be, she fiercely protects what we can’t see onscreen. She regrets laying out so much of her personal life in her book, which she wrote not expecting that so many people would read it. “It felt like I was writing journal entries,” she explains. Everything f rom her experience catfishing random men in chat rooms as a preteen to her discovery of the affair (her dad’s) that led to her parents’ divorce was part of her story. “The 24through 27-year-old version of me will live on through a book. My opinions, whatever whimsical thoughts and notions, will live on forever. That’s what I don’t like about it,” she says. “In writing a new book, I would focus on less of my personal life. My family didn’t ask for that. My aunt opening that book was like, ‘What the fuck, girl? I was trying to read and support my niece and I’m in this.’ ”

Rae is much more cautious now, especially around her quiet engagement to businessma­n Louis Diame. Her only acknowledg­ment of the news was a 2019 Essence cover photo that revealed her ring; it was confirmed by her less-private co-stars. A man I assume is Diame (Rae doesn’t introduce us) appears briefly at the couple’s home the first day we meet; masked in the presence of a rare pandemic house guest, he waves hello and shows off his “We Need Journalist­s” hoodie before disappeari­ng. Later that week, when I join Rae for her early-morning stroll, he stays on the opposite side of the street, keeping the pace and minding his business.

“I just feel superprote­ctive of any relationsh­ip I’m in,” Rae says. “That’s come from observing and making fun of people over the years who broadcast the most intimate parts of their relationsh­ips, then are left with egg on their face. I call them the ‘me and my boo’ people. Let me embarrass myself. Don’t let a nigga embarrass you. That’s always been my focus.”

Of course she works some of the key people in her life into her show. Issa Dee’s best friend Molly (played by Yvonne Orji) is based on one of Rae’s real-life best friends — though Rae is quick to note that she and the writers have “taken liberties” with her

story. Last season, after a falling-out between Molly and Issa, “she was like, ‘Bitch, do we have problems? Because everybody coming for Molly, which means they’re coming for me,’ ” Rae says. “I’m like, ‘This is not even you anymore, so why are you upset?’ ”

Sometimes she writes something that accidental­ly dovetails with her friends’ lives, and has to reassure them that it was all a coincidenc­e. (She fields a lot of “Was this about me?!” calls.) They’re her inspiratio­ns, but she would never use them for the sake of her art. “Those friendship­s mean everything to me,” Rae says. “That’s my support system.”

Rae is also a product of the internet and understand­s that it can break her down as quickly as it built her up: “I know how I am as a consumer, as a stan of people, and what I look for. I had the foresight to shield myself from what anybody who was looking for anything on me would try to find, because I know this culture. Internet culture is weird and malicious. I’ve just worked really hard to protect myself from the ugliest parts of it.”

Rae’s guarded nature seems less about the public eye, though, and more just how she functions. “We never know how much she has going on, because she’s not a supershare­r,” Walker notes. Rae is especially reluctant to talk work problems in group texts with her friends. But that doesn’t make those problems any less taxing. One day when I reach her by phone, Insecure filming is stalled because of a set issue. Rae had griped briefly in an Instagram story the night before, writing, “Every time I catch up, I’m behind.” She’s still frustrated when we talk: “In writing it, we knew what it was and where it was supposed to be. So what happened? Was I not paying attention? Did I not articulate this enough? I can only blame me.”

She can lean on Diame in these moments. But the group chat is sacred. “We all have work situations, [like] the white bitch at my friend’s job who constantly tries him. There’s some things on a basic human-frustratio­n level I can vent, but industry things? I don’t know. No one wants to hear your shit.” She’s still hunting for the right therapist.

As Manhattan Is to Sex and the City, Los Angeles may very well be one of the stars of Insecure. The show feels like a love letter, as the fictional Issa navigates workplace, friendship, and roma n t i c wo e s through weekend getaways to Malibu Airbnb’s or Ethiopian meals at Merkato. The Dunes, a real apartment complex where Issa and Lawrence (played by Jay Ellis) lived during their troubled relationsh­ip, has become a tourist hot spot in Inglewood. But as Rae has been penning her tribute to Los Angeles, she’s watched the city change in real time. Early seasons make her nostalgic for the L.A. of just six years ago. Iconic nightclub Maverick’s Flat, where Issa Dee famously performed the song “Broken Pussy” at an open mic in the series premiere, shut down in 2016. Less than a 10-minute drive from the Dunes is the massive new SoFi Stadium, which opened for its first NFL season last fall. Rae used to worry about the show feeling dated; now she views it as a cherished “time capsule.”

“Even in the B-roll that we get, I want to be able to look back and be like, ‘Aw, man. Remember when Inglewood used to be black?’ ” (Appropriat­ely, constructi­on sounds from someone she calls the “gentrifica­tion neighbor” float over her fence as we chat.) As the show has progressed, fictional Issa’s search for purpose leads her to quit her job at a nonprofit to become an event planner, with hopes of elevating the south L.A. community she adores. Much of real Issa’s motivation is the same. The home base for Hoorae is nestled in Hyde Park, not far from where she opened Hilltop Coffee. There’s an events division that hasn’t been fully realized yet, but Rae hopes that it will facilitate live performanc­es. She plans to have a soundstage built on site for shows that will highlight local artists.

The entrance to Hoorae’s cozy space features posters from past seasons of Insecure and Rae’s movies. On the second floor, where Rae’s personal office sits, there’s a giant painting of the late rapper Nipsey Hussle, who was shot and killed two years ago. Rae and Hussle grew up in the same community, and he spent much of his life working to preserve and uplift south Los Angeles.

“Watching so much of [Los Angeles] change and people be disregarde­d . . . Leimert Park fighting so hard to stay black-owned. Those things really affect me,” she says. While Issa Dee’s journey is shaped by “working in these white spaces and watching white people dictate what’s best for black people,” as Rae puts it, the character has had an inverse effect on her. “[She’s] rubbing off on me.”

Though Rae’s next series, Rap Sh*t, is set in a world she’s less familiar with — loosely based on Miami duo the City Girls, who have signed on as executive producers — there’s still some activism at its core. Rae was moved in part by female rappers like Megan Thee Stallion and Cardi B, whose rise through social media and reality TV fascinates her. But she also got fired up about Jermaine Dupri “coming out and criticizin­g female rappers for only talking about their pussy,” she says, referring to the producer’s comments on the success of songs like “WAP.” “I was just like, ‘This is so unfair.’ So that inspired the writing of it.”

Rae has been similarly aghast dealing with the recording industry over the past year. She launched Raedio, the audio arm of Hoorae, in 2019. It functions partly as a boutique label under Atlantic, with signed artists including Yung Baby Tate and TeaMarr. Asked what’s surprised her most about the music business so far, Rae ticks off grievances. “The conflicts of interest. The perpetuati­on of specific images, especially when it comes to black women,” she says. She doesn’t understand how people can both work at labels and manage artists on the side, and questions the more “manufactur­ed” elements of those who rise to the top.

“I guess I feel more empowered in the film and television industry,” she says. “We have our own problems, but it is nothing like the music industry. I’m in awe every single day of just, ‘Y’all can do this? This can happen, and it’s still going to happen?’ I have a lot of catching up to do. That feels exhausting in a different way.”

But it’s nothing compared with figuring out how to end the show that changed her life. Rae read a version of the script for Insecure’s finale the night before our early-morning walk, but it took another few weeks for her to have a breakthrou­gh. While she won’t give any spoilers, there’s one thing we know for sure about Season Five: The pandemic won’t be casting its shadow. “We’re not telling a Covid story,” Rae says. “I had fatigue.” Instead, she and the rest of the cast have gotten to live in the L.A. she misses, full of parties and dining in restaurant­s. “A fantasy world,” Rae calls it. Issa Dee is still an event planner, and they weren’t going to sacrifice the journey she had been on for years.

Rae’s own journey is now the stuff of legend. Back in December 2013, she and her just-establishe­d team made vision boards, an act of manifestat­ion via collage. At the time, Rae’s career was gaining momentum. A few months prior, she and Wilmore had been tapped to write a comedy pilot for HBO, which would become Insecure.

The board is divided into three sections: work, personal, and miscellane­ous. It was stowed away until Rae moved into her current home two years ago, where it now sits in her office. It may be the strongest case for running to the nearest craft store for poster board and glue sticks: Dream goals of working with HBO and Netflix, getting nominated for a Golden Globe, being on the cover of a magazine, and owning a home have all been met. When Rae shared it on Instagram this past December, she ticked off each one with an enthusiast­ic “Did that!” More than seven years later, she’s ready to make another.

“[That one] was a ‘Huh, maybe one day.’ Now I want to be more intentiona­l about it,” Rae says. “See what else I genuinely want to accomplish, and what I can do.”

“I’m superprote­ctive of any relationsh­ip I’m in. That’s from years of making fun of people who broadcast the most intimate parts of their [lives] and are left with egg on their faces. I call them the ‘me and my boo’ people.”

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