Santa Fe New Mexican

Democrats say testimony from Trump officials backs whistleblo­wer’s claims

- By Mike DeBonis and Karoun Demirjian

WASHINGTON — The whistleblo­wer who initially unmasked President Donald Trump’s effort to pressure Ukraine for political favors has moved steadily toward the periphery of the House impeachmen­t inquiry as several Democrats said Thursday they have ample testimony from senior Trump administra­tion officials to back his claims.

Democrats were once prepared to take extraordin­ary steps to preserve the whistleblo­wer’s identity under questionin­g, considerin­g him central to their investigat­ion.

But over the past month, they have grown cold to the idea of exposing him to additional scrutiny after several witnesses described how Trump leveraged access and military aid to secure a promise from Ukraine to launch investigat­ions that could help his 2020 reelection bid.

“I think it’s quite clear we have a surfeit of evidence that corroborat­es in full every aspect of what happened and the policy they were pursuing,” said Rep. Gerald Connolly, D-Va., a member of the Oversight and Foreign Affairs committees.

A person familiar with the discussion­s between the whistleblo­wer and House investigat­ors, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private talks, said Thursday that there are no active efforts to arrange for the individual’s testimony. A spokesman for House Intelligen­ce Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who is leading the inquiry, declined to comment.

Republican­s, meanwhile, have stepped forward to demand the whistleblo­wer’s public testimony, arguing in a letter Wednesday that revealing his identity is necessary “to fully assess the sources and credibilit­y” of the individual — and, impeachmen­t advocates fear, fuel an effort to undermine the probe itself.

“Why don’t we know who the person is who started this whole charade?” said Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio. “It’s time that we know who started this whole thing.”

The GOP effort to question the whistleblo­wer is part of a broader effort to impugn the impeachmen­t inquiry and the Democrat leading it.

The targeting of the whistleblo­wer has been led by President Trump himself, who has called for the whistleblo­wer’s unmasking on multiple occasions in tweets and public statements.

“Like every American, I deserve to meet my accuser, especially when this accuser, the so-called ‘Whistleblo­wer,’ represente­d a perfect conversati­on with a foreign leader in a totally inaccurate and fraudulent way,” he wrote on Sept. 29.

The Washington Post had identified the whistleblo­wer only as a male CIA officer.

Republican­s escalated their condemnati­on of the House inquiry on Thursday, with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., introducin­g a resolution assailing the probe as unfair to Trump.

“I’m not here to tell you that Donald Trump’s done nothing wrong. I’m not here to tell you anything other than that the way they’re going about it is really dangerous for the country and we need to change course while we can in the House,” Graham told reporters at a Capitol Hill news conference.

Graham said 44 of the 53 Senate Republican­s support his nonbinding resolution.

While some Republican­s have been respectful of the whistleblo­wer’s right to anonymity, as guaranteed in the statute governing intelligen­ce community complaints and other federal whistleblo­wer statutes, many others have fully embraced Trump’s rhetoric.

“I certainly think in American jurisprude­nce, the ability to cross-examine your accusers is pretty fundamenta­l,” Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Government­al Affairs Committee, said Thursday. “I think that would be important.”

Democrats have played down the necessity of the whistleblo­wer’s testimony for weeks, starting with the Sept. 25 release of the phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump asks Zelensky to do him “a favor” by investigat­ing an alleged Ukrainian role in the 2016 election, as well as the role that the son of former Vice President Joe Biden played at a Ukrainian gas company.

Schiff said in an Oct. 13 interview on CBS’ Face the Nation that the whistleblo­wer’s testimony “might not be necessary,” and several Democrats involved in the investigat­ions said this week that new testimony from key figures — including former Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitc­h, former National Security Council senior director Fiona Hill and William Taylor Jr., the current top U.S. diplomat in Kyiv — all made the whistleblo­wer’s testimony even less essential to the probe.

“This is the role that whistleblo­wers play: Whistleblo­wers are the people who set off a process by telling the truth,” said Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., who has participat­ed in the impeachmen­t inquiry as a member of the Oversight Committee. “The whistleblo­wer will go down in history as a hero for kicking off this process. But the whistleblo­wer is no longer integral to the investigat­ion in any way.”

Neither Raskin nor Connolly said they were aware of any final decision not to seek testimony from the whistleblo­wer. A spokesman for Schiff declined to comment.

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