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The real exit interviews? They’re happening on social media

- By Danica Lo |

More than 4.5 million Americans quit their jobs in November and, in the arsenal of resources corporatio­ns will tap into to understand this attrition and stem the bleeding, creatorbas­ed social media platforms have become increasing­ly important. Because, while LinkedIn remains the internet’s bastion of polite society and Glassdoor its anonymous complaints department, many leavers — especially millennial­s and Generation Z — are turning to TikTok and YouTube to publicly air their grievances. And, oh boy, do they have grievances.

An exact phrase search on YouTube for “Why I Left BuzzFeed” yields pages upon pages of results. More than a dozen of these videos have been viewed more than half a million times each — with creators citing reasons for leaving that range from lack of support and career developmen­t to desire for independen­ce or IP ownership and entreprene­urial drive.

Google, Facebook, multi-level marketing companies (MLMs) and “The Big 4” management consulting firms are also popular targets — with alumni skewering their former employers in extensive, detailed, no-holds-barred, direct-to-camera testimonia­ls.

Meanwhile, on TikTok, shorter-form #iquit hot takes range from earnest to emotional — sometimes even veering into mockery.

Even a decade ago, this type of public bridge-burning was almost unheard of. Back in the nascent days of social media, when nondisclos­ure and nondispara­gement clauses were par for the course, one-on-one exit interviews were the extent of employee feedback — and, for better or for worse, poor experience­s were relegated to the realms of industry gossip.

Fast forward to today, an era in which many startups haven’t invested in developing robust human resources department­s, but everyone can have a voice on far-reaching publishing platforms and, well, this is what happens.

“People care about three things: Do you see me? Do you hear me? Does what I have to say matter to you?” said Désirée Pascual, chief people experience officer at Headspace Health. “If they get a sense that it doesn’t, they will make themselves heard — and there are so many platforms by which they can accomplish that now, so they can decompress whatever emotions they’re holding. When you feel anxious, when you feel unseen and you feel unheard, you will find a release.”

When employees turn to public platforms instead of internal resources to vent frustratio­ns, oftentimes it’s because they don’t feel safe to do so within their organizati­ons — and they hold back, even when they already have one foot out the door.

Exit interviews are designed to tell employers why the employee is leaving and whether the company can do something to retain them or prevent others from leaving, Pascual says. “But when you talk to employees, the popular narrative is: ‘When it comes to exit interviews, the general rule is if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. You don’t want to burn bridges, you don’t want to create grievances,’ ” she said. The risk of offending people is just too high — and that’s a missed opportunit­y.

“There is absolutely no replacemen­t for a candid, one-on-one conversati­on with

employees,” Pascual said. “We get infinitely more valuable informatio­n when we sit with folks one on one. But in order to have a meaningful conversati­on, you need to build trust and psychologi­cal safety, so people will tell you what is really on their mind — or you’ll never get meaningful feedback that will allow you to iterate.

“The entire approach has to start at the beginning, and then be a thread all the way through the exit interview. Psychologi­cal safety starts with your very first conversati­on.”

So how can employers flip the script — especially during the “Great Resignatio­n,” when retaining talent has become increasing­ly difficult? Pascual recommends taking a closer look at corporate culture.

As employees’ preference­s continue to evolve toward a more values-centric, worklife balance, Pascual says that companies must follow suit — and switch from a transactio­nal to a relational workplace.

“I feel it’s an opportunit­y for us, as employers, to pivot to a new way of thinking about the workplace — and to create inspiring workplaces where people can thrive,” Pascual said. “The pandemic has sparked a movement among employees where they’ve come to expect more from their jobs — they want fulfillmen­t, flexibilit­y and support in various forms. When they don’t get those things from their employers, they resign.”

And then they take those grievances to TikTok.

“People care about three things: Do you see me? Do you hear me? Does what I have to say matter to you? If they get a sense that it doesn’t, they will make themselves heard.”

— Désirée Pascual, chief people experience officer at Headspace Health.

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