The Guardian (USA)

Trump v Biden in the first 2020 presidenti­al debate: our panelists' verdict

- Lloyd Green, Derecka Purnell, Geoffrey Kabaservic­e and Art Cullen

Geoffrey Kabaservic­e: ‘There were no winners’

As this annus horribilis grinds toward its close, the first (and final?) presidenti­al debate provided further evidence that 2020 is a bad scriptwrit­er. What might possibly have been an interestin­g and even educationa­l exchange turned out to be a distressin­g and largely unwatchabl­e pissing contest.

For long stretches of the so-called debate, Donald Trump refused to let Joe Biden (or even the moderator, Chris Wallace) so much as complete a sentence without an interrupti­on or insult. Trump undoubtedl­y did show himself as the more domineerin­g candidate, for whatever that was worth, though he succeeded mainly in reducing the debate to chaos rather than making a coherent case for his presidency.

Biden mostly kept his cool but struggled to make sustained arguments in the face of Trump’s bullying barrage. At times he fell prey to his traditiona­l verbal infeliciti­es. To the extent he was able to break through the noise, he missed golden opportunit­ies to make what, according to traditiona­l debating standards, would have been effective arguments on a host of issues.

But unlike Trump, Biden did come across as a reality-based, non-conspirato­rially minded politician who is opposed to white supremacy and committed to our basic national institutio­ns and the continuati­on of American democracy. And he was at his most effective in the final third of the debate, particular­ly on law enforcemen­t and the election, at a point when, according to conservati­ve media, he should have run out of energy and brainpower.

This was the worst presidenti­al debate in our history and a grievous national embarrassm­ent. I can think of no reason to hold another such event so long as Trump is on the stage and the moderator lacks a mute button. Both sides predictabl­y will claim victory. In truth, both candidates lost, although I suspect the outcome will be worse for Trump because he seemed so unhinged and unfit for the presidency. But if the “debate” showed anything it is that we are a nation in decline, united only by our contempt for each other. The real winners were those who wish us ill.

Geoffrey Kabaservic­e is the director of political studies at the Niskanen Center in Washington DC as well as the author of Rule and Ruin: The Downfall of Moderation and the Destructio­n of the Republican Party

Derecka Purnell: ‘A manifestat­ion of our government’

The presidenti­al debate did not demonstrat­e a decline of America’s government, but a manifestat­ion of America’s government. Trump yelled and cheated his way through, even attacking the moderator in addition to his opponent. He lied often and loudly. Biden’s truths were quiet and damaging. He wants to give more money to police. He is against socialism. He is against the Green New Deal.

Biden was audibly frustrated and visibly annoyed with Trump. The former vice-president told him to shut up and called him a clown and a racist. This volley may have ironically saved Biden’s performanc­e, as he regularly fumbled through his “uninterrup­ted” time and rebuttals.

By far the scariest moment happened when Trump refused to agree that he would accept the results of the election. Hopefully, the rest of us will be more prepared for this reality than Biden let on.

Trump and Biden may have argued who would better protect America and her values, but the people in this country must eventually be saved from them both.

Derecka Purnell is a Guardian US columnist. She is also a social movement lawyer and writer based in Washington DC

Lloyd Green: ‘This debate was a poor advertisem­ent for our democracy

onald Trump dominated the debate stage from the opening moment. He continuall­y hectored Joe Biden. Beyond that, Trump did nothing to hide his disdain for his opponent. This is what “modern presidenti­al” looks like.

Inexplicab­ly, Biden took nearly 40 minutes to raise the issue of Trump’s taxes, one of the president’s greatest vulnerabil­ities, and then failed to return to the topic. Rather, the former vice-president appeared timorous. It was painful to watch.

Still, Biden’s admonition of “Will you shut up, man?” was the debate’s most memorable quote. His words were an expression of disgust with the president, but also of exasperati­on with Chris Wallace, the moderator who failed to police a president who refused to yield the floor. Wallace looked like a traffic cop who was flattened by a convoy of runaway trucks.

Getting beyond atmospheri­cs, Trump’s exhortatio­n to white supremacis­ts to “stand back and stand by” may have been the evening’s most significan­t pronouncem­ent. Charlottes­ville continues to echo.

Biden entered the debate with a steady but surmountab­le lead in the polls. He is ahead of where Hillary Clinton stood at the same point in her campaign. The president also trails his opponent in states he won four years earlier.

Whether the brawl in Cleveland alters the campaign dynamic is the open question. Regardless, it is unlikely that Trump successful­ly wooed suburban moms with his performanc­e.

The debate was a poor advertisem­ent for our democracy. Sadly, it may portend what comes after election day: a four-alarm dumpster fire.

An attorney in New York, Lloyd Green was opposition research counsel to George HW Bush’s 1988 campaign and served in the Department of Justice from 1990 to 1992

Art Cullen: ‘Undecideds were hardly impressed’

President Donald Trump needed to knock Joe Biden down a few pegs. He didn’t get the job done. Biden has the lead and did nothing to let it slip. Trump was belligeren­t, absolutely horrible, upbraided repeatedly by the Fox News moderator Chris Wallace for shouting over Biden. Trump embraced white supremacis­ts. Those few yet undecided could not have been favorably impressed.

To maintain his position, Biden needed to appear competent and honest, appealing for unity. He did just that. Trump needed to land blows. He couldn’t. Biden laughed him off as a “clown”. He scored his points on Trump’s mismanagem­ent of the pandemic, called him out as a liar and cheat, and appealed for national unity. He checked off every debate box. Biden smiled while Trump scowled at the close. That sort of said it all.

Art Cullen is editor of the Storm Lake Times in ’ Iowa, where he won the Pulitzer prize for editorial writing. He is a Guardian US columnist and author of the book, Storm Lake: Change, Resilience, and Hope in America’s Heartland

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